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Hi everyone,
As you know, the bulk bricks online survey is now over. The results have
been submitted to the LEGO company for them to digest.
As many of you have expressed an interest in the results, Jake has given me
permission to publish a set of top 20 lists, which are now available on the
PaBTrak website.
You can see the top 20 most requested part/color combinations, the most
popular colors requested and the top 20 parts when the color is not
considered.
These results can be found at http://www.pabtrak.com
Jake also asked me to mention that the data collected here is absolutely
being used. That doesn't mean that every single thing will be implemented,
or implemented immediately. That said, he mentioned it is important to TLC
to try to include as much of our feedback as possible
Once again, thank you to everyone who took part in this survey.
Richard.
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In lugnet.color, Richard Morton wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> As you know, the bulk bricks online survey is now over. The results have
> been submitted to the LEGO company for them to digest.
> As many of you have expressed an interest in the results, Jake has given me
> permission to publish a set of top 20 lists, which are now available on the
> PaBTrak website.
>
> You can see the top 20 most requested part/color combinations, the most
> popular colors requested and the top 20 parts when the color is not
> considered.
>
> These results can be found at http://www.pabtrak.com
>
> Jake also asked me to mention that the data collected here is absolutely
> being used. That doesn't mean that every single thing will be implemented,
> or implemented immediately. That said, he mentioned it is important to TLC
> to try to include as much of our feedback as possible
>
> Once again, thank you to everyone who took part in this survey.
>
> Richard.
Thank you for posting the 'top 20' parts. A very interesting list, most of them
are basic bricks, plates or slopes.
Hopefully The LEGO Company will use this data to better understand the AFOL
market!
One more question, Richard: How many people submitted their lists?
Thanks!
JohnG, GMLTC
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"John Gerlach" <gmltc_j1@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:HyAG8o.24ov@lugnet.com...
>
> Thank you for posting the 'top 20' parts. A very interesting list, most • of them
> are basic bricks, plates or slopes.
>
> Hopefully The LEGO Company will use this data to better understand the • AFOL
> market!
>
> One more question, Richard: How many people submitted their lists?
>
> Thanks!
>
> JohnG, GMLTC
Hi John,
We had a total of 61497 part/color submissions from 839 unique users. This
means an average of 73 part/colors submitted per user.
It might have been a little more if we hadn't had the early problems with
the site, but I think everyone who wanted to vote eventually had an
opportunity to do so.
The next survey should go a lot smoother!
Hope it helps,
Richard.
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In lugnet.lego, Richard Morton wrote:
>
> "John Gerlach" <gmltc_j1@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> We had a total of 61497 part/color submissions from 839 unique users. This
> means an average of 73 part/colors submitted per user.
What amazes me is that only 839 users participated. I expected a lot more,
something like 5000 or so. But then again, I cannot relate the 839 to anything,
I dont have a clue as to how it represents the AFOL community. (How big is the
AFOL community?) And as such, I cannot 'trust' the list.
The parts that I see, for instance the 1x1 and 1x2 bricks can be found in almost
any bucket. And lots of them too.
White and black 2x2 tiles can be bought at this very moment from S&H. So these
are not very 'sparse?'.
This is not meant as negative criticism towards you (John & Jake) :)
Question: Assuming that people enter the most wanted piece first, could you make
another top 20 list using that info? Or am I the only one that did that?
Grtz,
Marck
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The survey seems to say "bring back #5216 roof bricks and the red one, plus grey
2x2 tiles (alas)." Something we can agree on anyway. Only a few items stake out
new ground for bulk.
Or more colors of the mixed roof and tile packs we have now.
-Erik
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In lugnet.lego, Erik Olson wrote:
> The survey seems to say "bring back #5216 roof bricks and the red one, plus
> grey 2x2 tiles (alas)." Something we can agree on anyway. Only a few items
> stake out new ground for bulk.
>
> Or more colors of the mixed roof and tile packs we have now.
Yeah, I have to say I really liked those roof packs. In retrospect I'm not sure
what the best approach to this survey was. When I was picking bricks, I tried to
make sure that I picked things I would order bunches of. But concave/convex
slopes certainly weren't on my list, though. Sure, I want them and all, but I
don't need slews of them. Just enough to tweak my buildings. If they were
available in a bulk pack with 25 per pack? I might order 2. But decent-colored
windows? A zillion. Tiles? A zillion. Leaves/Greenery? A zillion.
The trick with bulk (IMHO) is that some pieces work better in a "mixed bag",
like bricks and slopes. The old style roof packs and brick packs were totally
awesome. Each time I'd place a S@H order I'd consider buying more. Breaking them
down into individual parts, like 2x4 bricks specifically, makes me less likely
to buy them. IE, I'm more likely to say "Gee, I need more tan bricks" than I am
to say "Gee, I need more 1x4 tan bricks". Windows, bushes, trees, though? Great
in individual-piece-bulk.
DaveE
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In lugnet.lego, Erik Olson wrote:
> The survey seems to say "bring back #5216 roof bricks and the red one, plus grey
> 2x2 tiles (alas)." Something we can agree on anyway. Only a few items stake out
> new ground for bulk.
I agree that the results indicate a huge desire for roof bricks. However, if
the assorted roof brick packs are revived, I think TLG needs to re-think the
part assortment in those packs.
I managed to get 30 of the 5216 black roof bricks when they were available (and
10 of the red one). I used up the 2x4 slope and 2x2 convex slope VERY quickly,
but I was left with a ton of the 2x2 concave slope and most of the double slopes
(1x2, 2x2, and 2x4) at the end. I had to buy additional packs of just the 2x4
slopes.
I guess it's a bit of a slippery slope (no pun intended) when it comes to part
assortments. For small roofs (rooves?) the existing assortment isn't too bad,
but for large roofs you don't need very many 2x2 concaves or double slopes. TLG
should also remember to include the "1x2 triple" and "1x2 double/inverted"
slopes in all future assorted roof brick packs. Fortunately, I was able to
obtain these pieces in black from other sets.
And yes, I would love a larger colour selection for the 2x2 tiles!
-Bryan
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In lugnet.color, Richard Morton wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> As you know, the bulk bricks online survey is now over. The results have
> been submitted to the LEGO company for them to digest.
> As many of you have expressed an interest in the results, Jake has given me
> permission to publish a set of top 20 lists, which are now available on the
> PaBTrak website.
>
> You can see the top 20 most requested part/color combinations, the most
> popular colors requested and the top 20 parts when the color is not
> considered.
>
> These results can be found at http://www.pabtrak.com
>
> Jake also asked me to mention that the data collected here is absolutely
> being used. That doesn't mean that every single thing will be implemented,
> or implemented immediately. That said, he mentioned it is important to TLC
> to try to include as much of our feedback as possible
>
> Once again, thank you to everyone who took part in this survey.
>
> Richard.
I'm interested to hear peoples opinions on why 1x2 bricks are so high.
(As opposed to 1x4, 1x6 etc.). Personally I find the slightly longer
bricks more valuable.
Jeff
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In lugnet.lego, Jeff Shiner wrote:
> I'm interested to hear peoples opinions on why 1x2 bricks are so high.
> (As opposed to 1x4, 1x6 etc.). Personally I find the slightly longer
> bricks more valuable.
Keep in mind that I mostly build castle MOCs:
I prefer building castle walls with bricks rather than with the castle wall pieces. I try to avoid plain, flat walls, so I find 1x1, 1x2, 1x3, and 1x4 bricks the most useful. In such cases, there just aren't many "plain" areas large enough to fit 1x6 or larger bricks.
However, that doesn't mean I don't use the longer bricks. The longer bricks are
extremely useful for internal support in sculptures, or to support floors.
But my ideal collection would have many more small bricks than larger ones.
My two bricks,
-Bryan
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> I'm interested to hear peoples opinions on why 1x2 bricks are so high.
> (As opposed to 1x4, 1x6 etc.). Personally I find the slightly longer
> bricks more valuable.
>
> Jeff
Well, here's one reason, ala Jeremy Rear...
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=660136
I tend to think 1x2 are more versatile than the longer bricks.
Scott Lyttle
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In lugnet.lego, Scott Lyttle wrote:
> > I'm interested to hear peoples opinions on why 1x2 bricks are so high.
> > (As opposed to 1x4, 1x6 etc.). Personally I find the slightly longer
> > bricks more valuable.
>
> I tend to think 1x2 are more versatile than the longer bricks.
Agreed, but also WAY more plentiful already. My guess is most 1x2s were selected
in bleys and r-brown, which seems to be supported (if only slightly) by the
colour-specific list.
Anyway the top 20 doesn't really mean all that much - hopefully LEGO will do a
more in-depth analysis of the results before making any decisions.
ROSCO
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Shoot - None of mine made it.
I put in a bunch of strange bricks, including odd windows, doors, and panels. I
guess everyone else wanted mainly basic bricks because that is what the survey
seems to show.
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In lugnet.lego, Brad Hamilton wrote:
> Shoot - None of mine made it.
>
> I put in a bunch of strange bricks, including odd windows, doors, and panels. I
> guess everyone else wanted mainly basic bricks because that is what the survey
> seems to show.
Ditto. I was really hoping for some of the large windshields, curved slope
bricks, & wing plates.
Jeff
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In lugnet.color, Richard Morton wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> As you know, the bulk bricks online survey is now over. The results have
> been submitted to the LEGO company for them to digest.
> As many of you have expressed an interest in the results, Jake has given me
> permission to publish a set of top 20 lists, which are now available on the
> PaBTrak website.
Sayyy, Richard:
Any indication of how many people submitted surveys?
I'm really curious as to how large the sample size ended up being.
all best
LFB
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In lugnet.lego, Lindsay Frederick Braun wrote:
> In lugnet.color, Richard Morton wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > As you know, the bulk bricks online survey is now over. The results have
> > been submitted to the LEGO company for them to digest.
> > As many of you have expressed an interest in the results, Jake has given me
> > permission to publish a set of top 20 lists, which are now available on the
> > PaBTrak website.
>
>
> Sayyy, Richard:
>
> Any indication of how many people submitted surveys?
I am not Richard, but he said, upthread:
"We had a total of 61497 part/color submissions from 839 unique users. This
means an average of 73 part/colors submitted per user.
It might have been a little more if we hadn't had the early problems with
the site, but I think everyone who wanted to vote eventually had an
opportunity to do so."
So I am going to go with 839 people.
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I completely agree with white, black, lt gray, and dk gray in the top 5. Kinda
wonder how red creeped in.
But the parts types results completely baffle me. For every 2x2 concave steep
slope and just about every item on the list, I use 100s of 2x4s. The list seems
to reflect demand based on scarcity, not demand based on usage. We better watch
what we wish for. After I buy 1000 2x2 lt gray tiles, I’ll be set for life, but
I’ll still be short 100,000 2x4s.
-Ted
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In lugnet.lego, Ted Michon wrote:
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But the parts types results completely baffle me. For every 2x2 concave steep
slope and just about every item on the list, I use 100s of 2x4s. The list
seems to reflect demand based on scarcity, not demand based on usage. We
better watch what we wish for. After I buy 1000 2x2 lt gray tiles, I’ll be
set for life, but I’ll still be short 100,000 2x4s.
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I think some of the surprise in the list may be due to people’s understanding of
the purpose of the survey.
Was it - pieces in addition to what S@H currently sell
or - pieces you need
I voted on the basis of already knowing what S@H sell and my selection went
toward “what else they should sell”.
I may have been wrong. I hope not, I don’t want to trade my steady supply of
2x4s for a bunch of more esoteric stuff either!
JB
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In lugnet.lego, John Barnes wrote:
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I may have been wrong. I hope not, I don’t want to trade my steady supply of
2x4s for a bunch of more esoteric stuff either!
JB
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I pressed Jake on what criteria we should make our choices: What we use most,
most of the time or what we would like the most because we can’t get them this
week? I also pointed out that I don’t want bricks from LEGO that I can buy for
less on BrickLink (If the cheapest source of 2x4 bricks was TLC, than that would
be my top priority, but if the prices would be high, than I would give priority
to things I can’t get elsewhere. Of course, I would love silver 2x4 plates, but
I would never buy 10,000 of them the way we do a lot of other bricks.).
Jake’s reply was that he couldn’t/wouldn’t say.
In the end, because of the reports that the survey site wasn’t working and
because I didn’t understand the criteria, I didn’t enter the survey.
(Actually 800+ responses strikes ME as a lot for this community. I more suspect
a lot of multiple voting to get to that total).
-Ted
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In lugnet.lego, Ted Michon wrote:
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I completely agree with white, black, lt gray, and dk gray in the top 5.
Kinda wonder how red creeped in.
But the parts types results completely baffle me.
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Me too. I can get all the 1x2s and 2x4s I want for under 2 cents a piece (with
judicious shopping for tubs) but nary a piece I selected made the list (train
doors, train windows, train door rails, town windows, and architectural
elements) So who wants 1x2s???? And why?
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In lugnet.lego, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Ted Michon wrote:
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These results can be found at http://www.pabtrak.com
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I completely agree with white, black, lt gray, and dk gray in the top 5.
Kinda wonder how red creeped in.
But the parts types results completely baffle me.
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Me too. I can get all the 1x2s and 2x4s I want for under 2 cents a piece
(with judicious shopping for tubs) but nary a piece I selected made the list
(train doors, train windows, train door rails, town windows, and
architectural elements) So who wants 1x2s???? And why?
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This is probably because, out of 20 choices, one or more colors of 1x2 were
selected but no one particular color was outstanding. I put in tan, new brown,
new light gray, orange, and medium blue for most 1x2 and 1x4 - there are a lot
of colors not easy to get in tubs. Now if somebody voted for black 1x2 bricks,
that’s a head-scratcher.
Windows feature prominently. I don’t know what you have to complain about (you
didn’t seriously think a majority of people could agree on a color for a train
door did you?)
For what it’s worth, nothing I picked made the top 20 part-color except new gray
1x2. I voted for a lot of fences and cylinders.
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In lugnet.lego, Erik Olson wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Ted Michon wrote:
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These results can be found at http://www.pabtrak.com
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I completely agree with white, black, lt gray, and dk gray in the top 5.
Kinda wonder how red creeped in.
But the parts types results completely baffle me.
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Me too. I can get all the 1x2s and 2x4s I want for under 2 cents a piece
(with judicious shopping for tubs) but nary a piece I selected made the list
(train doors, train windows, train door rails, town windows, and
architectural elements) So who wants 1x2s???? And why?
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This is probably because, out of 20 choices, one or more colors of 1x2 were
selected but no one particular color was outstanding. I put in tan, new
brown, new light gray, orange, and medium blue for most 1x2 and 1x4 - there
are a lot of colors not easy to get in tubs. Now if somebody voted for black
1x2 bricks, that’s a head-scratcher.
Windows feature prominently.
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I’m not sure I’d characterise 2 windows and one mullion out of 20 as “feature
prominently”, (on the “any color” list, the other one doesn’t matter as much)
but OK
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I don’t know what you have to complain about
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I am not complaining.
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(you didn’t seriously think a majority of people could agree on a color for a
train door did you?)
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You could pick up to 10 colors so I really don’t care about color that much. No
train parts made the list at all. So much for our vaunted buying/voting power I
guess.
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For what it’s worth, nothing I picked made the top 20 part-color except new
gray 1x2. I voted for a lot of fences and cylinders.
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I like fences and cylinders.
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In lugnet.lego, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Erik Olson wrote:
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In lugnet.lego, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
Windows feature prominently.
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I’m not sure I’d characterise 2 windows and one mullion out of 20 as “feature
prominently”, (on the “any color” list, the other one doesn’t matter as much)
but OK
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IMHO, I feel that they do figure prominently. 3 window/window related items out
of 20 is 15%. Compare this to the 20% that basic-bricks make up or the 10%
that plates make up, I’d say that Windows made a fair showing. When examining
the results, I tried to keep in mind that this is a cross-section of the
community’s needs. I’m surprised that the scales tip so heavily to specialized
items, such as the Windows and Garage Doors (See 1).
As to the 1 x 2 bricks versus 2 x 4 bricks debate, I voted for all 1x bricks,
as, in my constructions, I use few if any 2x bricks. I’d chalk this one up to
just personal preference. Some folks like the stability of 2xs, some the
increased flexibility of 1xs. Personally, I’d rather see 1xs than 2xs.
But, as for the windows, the numbers are good for windows and corresponding
elements. I didn’t bother voting for mullions, because it stands to reason that
1 x 4 x 3 windows would include the crucial bits (just for the sake of the
mass-consumer’s market, not the AFOL who may have thousands of spare mullions
laying around). But, the fact that mullions are in the mix proves that the
windows are wanted, as the majority of folks threw two votes away on window
elements.
I think we should all just see where this data takes TLC. We really have no
clue, although we may take stabs, as to what they plan on doing with this data.
-John Rudy
1 I voted for the garage doors and corresponding elements just as Bruce
Hietbrink voted for the Turkey. I never expected the item to reach the top.
:)
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In lugnet.lego, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Ted Michon wrote:
> > > These results can be found at http://www.pabtrak.com
> >
> > I completely agree with white, black, lt gray, and dk gray in the top 5.
> > Kinda wonder how red creeped in.
> >
> > But the parts types results completely baffle me.
>
> Me too. I can get all the 1x2s and 2x4s I want for under 2 cents a piece
> (with judicious shopping for tubs) but nary a piece I selected made the list
> (train doors, train windows, train door rails, town windows, and
> architectural elements) So who wants 1x2s???? And why?
Train elements topped my list too, and it's too bad you couldn't weight your
vote, because everything else I voted for would have been much lower on my
list. Various train windows & doors, town windows & doors, slopes, and some
plant elements were the majority of my voting submission. No basic bricks
that's for sure.
Tim Strutt
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In lugnet.lego, Tim Strutt wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > In lugnet.lego, Ted Michon wrote:
> > > > These results can be found at http://www.pabtrak.com
> > >
> > > I completely agree with white, black, lt gray, and dk gray in the top 5.
> > > Kinda wonder how red creeped in.
> > >
> > > But the parts types results completely baffle me.
> >
> > Me too. I can get all the 1x2s and 2x4s I want for under 2 cents a piece
> > (with judicious shopping for tubs) but nary a piece I selected made the list
> > (train doors, train windows, train door rails, town windows, and
> > architectural elements) So who wants 1x2s???? And why?
>
> Train elements topped my list too, and it's too bad you couldn't weight your
> vote,
ya, except the weighting I'd prefer would be "put your customer number in, OK we
found how much you spent at S@H last year... that's what each of your votes is
worth" :-)
And I'd be Ok with the fact that my votes weren't worth the most. (Hi Troy!)
> because everything else I voted for would have been much lower on my
> list. Various train windows & doors, town windows & doors, slopes, and some
> plant elements were the majority of my voting submission. No basic bricks
> that's for sure.
Ya, like has been said, I don't get the fascination with basic bricks. But then
I have about 150-200 tubs worth so...
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> ya, except the weighting I'd prefer would be "put your customer number in, OK we
> found how much you spent at S@H last year... that's what each of your votes is
> worth" :-)
I have to agree with this one... the "put your money where your mouth is"
theory. I know your purchases far outweigh mine... but I know I've put some
serious chunck change into Shop@Home, myself.
Ben M.
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"Larry Pieniazek" schreef in bericht news:HyAy64.Lps@lugnet.com...
> Ya, like has been said, I don't get the fascination with basic bricks. But • then
> I have about 150-200 tubs worth so...
Please do not forget, Europeans pay completely different amounts of money
for their tubs.
In the US they practically give those tubs away, over here they don't :-(
So I voted for 1x2's in standard colors.
I don't need shapes bigger than 1x3 (due to my physical situation I don't
have that much strength in my hands so the bigger the brick the harder it
gets to stack them, but hey, that's my problem ;-) not yours)
I could buy tub 4107 (wich I love because of the many 1x2's and 1x1's) but
that'll cost me 39 euro's, that translates to 47 dollar something... and I
get a lot of bricks I rarely use.
I'd rather buy them in bulkpacks :-) And I know of the existence of
bricklink yes :-)
Everyone voted for the things they want, and it seems many people want
1x2's. And that's OK with me :-D
Cheers,
Saskia
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In lugnet.lego, Saskia van Doesburg wrote:
> "Larry Pieniazek" schreef in bericht news:HyAy64.Lps@lugnet.com...
> > Ya, like has been said, I don't get the fascination with basic bricks. But then
> > I have about 150-200 tubs worth so...
>
> Please do not forget, Europeans pay completely different amounts of money
> for their tubs.
You're right. I am sorry, I did forget that.
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"Larry Pieniazek" schreef in bericht news:HyBnwD.7Ir@lugnet.com...
> > Please do not forget, Europeans pay completely different amounts of • money
> > for their tubs.
>
> You're right. I am sorry, I did forget that.
No problem, it's just something people over here get frustrated over all the
time ;-)
We want US prices :-D
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In lugnet.lego, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> ya, except the weighting I'd prefer would be "put your customer number in, OK we
> found how much you spent at S@H last year... that's what each of your votes > is worth" :-)
>
> And I'd be Ok with the fact that my votes weren't worth the most. (Hi Troy!)
Looks like they already did :) Honestly, I had many problems with the survey, I
took it minutes after annoucement. my "shopping cart" got emptied a few times,
and when i finally submitted, I found out it only contained 1 item... 2x2
concave slopes....
They must have not only weighed my buying records (10's of K's), but also
weighed the fact that I only "wanted" one 1 item, and multiplie that with my
bricklink feedback :)
Seriously, the list looks good for town/castle, with slopes, tiles, bricks. As
others, I did take into account what was already available, so did not ask for
that. My real list included (but did not get submitted:
1x2x2, 1x2x3, 1x4x3 panels in Chrome-gold, Chrome-blue, Chrome-silver, and 7
trans colors (for office buildings)
1x4x3 windows, basic colors, and also the plain panes, shutters, and lattice
panes
Various convex/cconcave slopes (33,45,75 degree), basic colors.
A non existing element that many of us crave: 1x3x3 33 degree concave slope!!
(blakc, red, blue, greys)
Paul
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In lugnet.lego, Ted Michon wrote:
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I completely agree with white, black, lt gray, and dk gray in the top 5.
Kinda wonder how red creeped in.
But the parts types results completely baffle me. For every 2x2 concave steep
slope and just about every item on the list, I use 100s of 2x4s. The list
seems to reflect demand based on scarcity, not demand based on usage. We
better watch what we wish for. After I buy 1000 2x2 lt gray tiles, I’ll be
set for life, but I’ll still be short 100,000 2x4s.
-Ted
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“100,000 2x4s”, which train clubs would call “a good start” to building a
layout...
Yup. 2x4s in quantities (2500 bricks? 10,000 bricks?) would be awesome, and
we’d buy ‘em! Throw in the ability to buy 2x2 bricks, and we’d have 90% of the
bricks we use on a train layout. Let’s see, 10,000 2x4 bricks at maybe 4 cents
each is $400. I’d buy 5 or 6 of those every year. Heck, the GMLTC has gone
through 10,000 2x4 bricks in just a couple of weeks of layout building.
My personal top choices: 1x2x2 classic town window.
Bricks: 1x1, 1x2, 1x4, 2x2, 2x3, 2x4.
Plates: 1x1, 1x2, 1x4, 1x8, 2x2, 2x3, 2x4, 2x8.
‘Leaf’ elements: 3x4, 6x5 (in several shades of green).
After these I put some more specialized elements like train windows and some
Technic elements. Give me basic bricks and plates!
I refused to list either the light blue-grey or dark blue-grey on any of my
selections though...
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.lego, John Gerlach wrote:
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“100,000 2x4s”, which train clubs would call “a good start” to building a
layout...
Yup. 2x4s in quantities (2500 bricks? 10,000 bricks?) would be awesome, and
we’d buy ‘em! Throw in the ability to buy 2x2 bricks, and we’d have 90% of
the bricks we use on a train layout. Let’s see, 10,000 2x4 bricks at maybe 4
cents each is $400. I’d buy 5 or 6 of those every year. Heck, the GMLTC has
gone through 10,000 2x4 bricks in just a couple of weeks of layout building.
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I refused to list either the light blue-grey or dark blue-grey on any of my
selections though...
JohnG, GMLTC
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John-
Exactly!
I would have bought 10,000 2x4 bricks in light gray or dark gray at $0.04 each
in a split second. Survey respondents should have been asked how many they would
buy at a specified price. That would have made for much more useful (and I’m
sure quite different) numbers. I think that after I bought enough slopes to
build a 25,000 brick model of the Luxor hotel/casino (it’s a pyramid) in Las
Vegas, that I would have exhausted my lifetime demand for slopes.
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Having already built one 66 studs square, I can tell you it gets insanely expensive
after a while to make it larger ;-)
But yeah, I listed a clear tri-peak and clear corner slopes for just that reason,
for finishing the Luxor (yeah, I'd have lots of other uses for them too). What
hurts the most was seeing the corner slopes at BW03 in BillV's hands for a short
time, but not being the person to win them.
Ted Michon wrote:
> I think that after I bought enough slopes to
> build a 25,000 brick model of the Luxor hotel/casino (it's a pyramid) in Las
> Vegas, that I would have exhausted my lifetime demand for slopes.
>
> -Ted
--
Tom Stangl
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In lugnet.color, Richard Morton wrote:
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Hi everyone,
As you know, the bulk bricks online survey is now over. The results have
been submitted to the LEGO company for them to digest.
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Richard-
Could you tell us how many participants there were in this survey (just out of
curiosity)?
Thanks!
-jeremy
pnltc
www.pnltc.org
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In lugnet.lego, Jeremy Rear wrote:
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Could you tell us how many participants there were in this survey (just out
of curiosity)?
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http://news.lugnet.com/lego/?n=1883
-D
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"BrikTrak.com" <rjmorton@AT4imprintNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:HyAFw6.21ox@lugnet.com...
> Hi everyone,
>
> As you know, the bulk bricks online survey is now over. The results have
> been submitted to the LEGO company for them to digest.
> As many of you have expressed an interest in the results, Jake has given • me
> permission to publish a set of top 20 lists, which are now available on • the
> PaBTrak website.
>
> You can see the top 20 most requested part/color combinations, the most
> popular colors requested and the top 20 parts when the color is not
> considered.
>
> These results can be found at http://www.pabtrak.com
>
> Jake also asked me to mention that the data collected here is absolutely
> being used. That doesn't mean that every single thing will be implemented,
> or implemented immediately. That said, he mentioned it is important to TLC
> to try to include as much of our feedback as possible
>
> Once again, thank you to everyone who took part in this survey.
>
> Richard.
>
>
Maybe it's just me but I find some of the results of the survey very odd.
In particular, I am surprised that 1x1, 1x2, 1x4, and 2x4 bricks showed up
on the list. These are the sort of parts that just aren't that hard to come
by in quantity between what LEGO offers in tubs, buckets, bulk packs or from
BrickLink.
I also find it odd that no arches nor doors showed up on the results.
But a survey is a survey and everyone is allowed to express their opinion.
FWIW, I captured my submission as an Acrobat file and posted it on
BrickShelf. If you are curiuous to see what I voted for, here is the
document:
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/mpw/misc/pick-a-brick_survey.pdf
Mike
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Mike Walsh - mike_walsh at mindspring.com
http://www.ncltc.cc - North Carolina LEGO Train Club
http://www.carolinatrainbuilders.com - Carolina Train Builders
http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=mpw - CTB/Brick Depot
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In lugnet.lego, Mike Walsh wrote:
>
> Maybe it's just me but I find some of the results of the survey very odd.
> In particular, I am surprised that 1x1, 1x2, 1x4, and 2x4 bricks showed up
> on the list. These are the sort of parts that just aren't that hard to come
> by in quantity between what LEGO offers in tubs, buckets, bulk packs or from
> BrickLink.
Besides other parts, I voted heavily on 1x2 and 1x4 bricks. Let me explain.
I would love to have basic bulk bricks available in some of the newer colors,
especially dark blue, dark red, dark green, dark tan and dark orange.
Since I wouldn't expect TLC to release all kinds of shapes of each of those
colors, and since I could pick only 20 shapes in the survey alltogether, I
primarily picked 1x2 bricks, because they are most versatile for both small and
large structures.
Also I was hoping other voters wanting new colors would focus on those basic
shapes. If the demand for the new colors was spread over many shapes, it would
not stand out.
So in conclusion, the high score of 1x1, 1x2 and 1x4 parts may be attributed to
a demand for certain new colors, which are not available in regular tubs.
This is also to show that it will require some insightful thinking by TLC to
translate the survey results into a bulk assortment that will sell well in
reality. Our discussion here of the results should contribute to such insight.
Eric
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In lugnet.lego, Eric Brok wrote:
<snip>
> Besides other parts, I voted heavily on 1x2 and 1x4 bricks. Let me explain.
>
> I would love to have basic bulk bricks available in some of the newer colors,
> especially dark blue, dark red, dark green, dark tan and dark orange.
This is why I think this survey was flawed in its design. Some people went in
with the approach that they were voting for colors, while others concentrated on
parts. Because of this dichotomy, the results probably show neither the colors
most wanted nor the parts most wanted (especially). Unless by random chance,
the most wanted color and part matched.
<snip>
> This is also to show that it will require some insightful thinking by TLC to
> translate the survey results into a bulk assortment that will sell well in
> reality. Our discussion here of the results should contribute to such insight.
>
> Eric
And I think it would be nearly impossible to determine the actual wants from
this survey. To try would be a sloppy stab in the dark at best. I am very
disappointed in the results and this is coming from someone who had two of his
desired parts on the list (the mullioned window pane and macaroni brick). May I
suggest:
A "do-over"
This time, running two distinct parts of the survey: one for most wanted colors
and a separate one for most wanted parts. Also, eliminating some rare parts
from the survey that probably aren't realistic to produce would help focus the
desired part portion of the survey.
Also, although it is called a "bulk brick" survey, I think that term has to be
understood in the context of how TLC sells bulk packs. They are not selling
items in true bulk, but small part selections. I seriously doubt whether one
part would ever be sold in a quantity above 100. What is more likely, is a
parts pack type of "bulk offering" that they have done in the past. This may
also influence how people vote.
In short, if this is to be used as a tool to make a business decision by TLC, I
think TLC should go extra lengths to make sure it is a worthwhile tool that
accurately reflects people's true desires. As it stands, I have no confidence
in these results.
--
Thomas Main
thomasmain@myrealbox.com
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In lugnet.lego, Thomas Main wrote:
> In lugnet.lego, Eric Brok wrote:
> <snip>
> > Besides other parts, I voted heavily on 1x2 and 1x4 bricks. Let me explain.
> >
> > I would love to have basic bulk bricks available in some of the newer colors,
> > especially dark blue, dark red, dark green, dark tan and dark orange.
>
> This is why I think this survey was flawed in its design. Some people went in
> with the approach that they were voting for colors, while others concentrated on
> parts. Because of this dichotomy, the results probably show neither the colors
> most wanted nor the parts most wanted (especially). Unless by random chance,
> the most wanted color and part matched.
>
> <snip>
> > This is also to show that it will require some insightful thinking by TLC to
> > translate the survey results into a bulk assortment that will sell well in
> > reality. Our discussion here of the results should contribute to such insight.
> >
> > Eric
>
> And I think it would be nearly impossible to determine the actual wants from
> this survey. To try would be a sloppy stab in the dark at best. I am very
> disappointed in the results and this is coming from someone who had two of his
> desired parts on the list (the mullioned window pane and macaroni brick). May I
> suggest:
>
> A "do-over"
>
> This time, running two distinct parts of the survey: one for most wanted colors
> and a separate one for most wanted parts. Also, eliminating some rare parts
> from the survey that probably aren't realistic to produce would help focus the
> desired part portion of the survey.
>
> Also, although it is called a "bulk brick" survey, I think that term has to be
> understood in the context of how TLC sells bulk packs. They are not selling
> items in true bulk, but small part selections. I seriously doubt whether one
> part would ever be sold in a quantity above 100. What is more likely, is a
> parts pack type of "bulk offering" that they have done in the past. This may
> also influence how people vote.
>
> In short, if this is to be used as a tool to make a business decision by TLC, I
> think TLC should go extra lengths to make sure it is a worthwhile tool that
> accurately reflects people's true desires. As it stands, I have no confidence
> in these results.
>
> --
> Thomas Main
> thomasmain@myrealbox.com
Thank you for your reply in this thread since it explains my thoughts as well.
This survey was quite vague in what you were actually supposed to be
thinking about. Personally I picked parts that are rare but I would use in a lot
of projects and would interest others as well. The criteria used to choose parts
differed from person to person which basically gives you unclear results. All
that was needed was a short blurb stating “ please pick parts that you wish to
purchase bulk quantities of” or “ please pick parts that you would like to use
but are rare or don’t exist” this would have given you much better results and
more usable information.
OnDrew
p.s. How did 1x1 tiles make it on to the list? They weren’t even an option when
I took the survey.
P.s.s. thank you Richard Morton for putting the survey site together. Even with
the vague instructions which I know weren’t your fault the site was very easy to
navigate and fun to use.
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I similarly voted for 1x2 bricks, but in rare colors. I think part of this is
the nature of such a survey. Going across all themes, it is nearly impossible
for a speciallized piece to win through (except garage doors for some reason).
Even if all Space builders voted for a particular element, it won't get through
without votes from other themes. Basic bricks, plates, slopes, and tiles,
though, are generally useful. So even if a smaller proportion of space builders
voted for these, they'll still end up on top, because there will also be a
portion of train, castle, town, etc builders who want the same things.
I voted for mostly architectural elements--windows, doors, slopes, the
aforementioned 1x2 brick--because I thought these would be ultimately the most
useful thing to have available in bulk. I also spent a couple of votes on
speciallized castle elements, and I threw away one vote on a turkey, just
because I've always wanted one.
Bruce
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Would be curious to know the rank of the first Technic part in the survey...
Philo
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>
> You can see the top 20 most requested part/color combinations, the most
> popular colors requested and the top 20 parts when the color is not
> considered.
>
> These results can be found at http://www.pabtrak.com
>
> Jake also asked me to mention that the data collected here is absolutely
> being used. That doesn't mean that every single thing will be implemented,
> or implemented immediately. That said, he mentioned it is important to TLC
> to try to include as much of our feedback as possible
>
> Once again, thank you to everyone who took part in this survey.
>
> Richard.
Thanks again, Richard & Jake.
I think the results show how diverse our individual needs (wants?) are.
For colors, I am surprised (and disappointed) dark red is not more prominent.
For parts, I don't understand why black tiles are listed. They are available
already. I am kind of viewing that as a lost item on the list. What was the 21st
most wanted item? Same with light bluish gray 1x2 bricks....I think they're
available in bulk as well. (not positive)
I am thrilled to see so many tiles on the list and happy we were given the
opportunity to make our choices known.
Jonathan
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In lugnet.color, Richard Morton wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> As you know, the bulk bricks online survey is now over. The results have
> been submitted to the LEGO company for them to digest.
> As many of you have expressed an interest in the results, Jake has given me
> permission to publish a set of top 20 lists, which are now available on the
> PaBTrak website.
>
> You can see the top 20 most requested part/color combinations, the most
> popular colors requested and the top 20 parts when the color is not
> considered.
>
> These results can be found at http://www.pabtrak.com
>
> Jake also asked me to mention that the data collected here is absolutely
> being used. That doesn't mean that every single thing will be implemented,
> or implemented immediately. That said, he mentioned it is important to TLC
> to try to include as much of our feedback as possible
>
> Once again, thank you to everyone who took part in this survey.
>
> Richard.
I could post a reply elsewhere, but my comments cover more than one thing.
I am pleased to see the convace slopes as wanted, as someone wrote, the 5205
(?), anyway, selection of roof tiles would be great. There is a selection now,
but limited.
What I dont understand is that the top slopes (w/o studs) are all missing here
except for one?
As for windows, I support the lattice windows, even that I did not vote for
them, more the ones with rounded tops.
Then again - there are no doors here? I'd like to see that too, especially those
with rounded tops.
Tiles - yep, a selection of those. I do not understand the wished here, but for
snot and build with smooth surfaces - tiles are a need, in some sort of
selection.
Arches - where are they?
I think one should see this in a larger view. Windows also mean doors, some roof
tiles mean even more roof tiles (slopes), etc. For tiles the same, but I cannot
see arches in this theory.
Sonnich
http://www.hot.ee/sonnich/lego/
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In lugnet.color, Richard Morton wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> As you know, the bulk bricks online survey is now over. The results have
> been submitted to the LEGO company for them to digest.
> As many of you have expressed an interest in the results, Jake has given me
> permission to publish a set of top 20 lists, which are now available on the
> PaBTrak website.
>
> You can see the top 20 most requested part/color combinations, the most
> popular colors requested and the top 20 parts when the color is not
> considered.
>
> These results can be found at http://www.pabtrak.com
>
> Jake also asked me to mention that the data collected here is absolutely
> being used. That doesn't mean that every single thing will be implemented,
> or implemented immediately. That said, he mentioned it is important to TLC
> to try to include as much of our feedback as possible
>
> Once again, thank you to everyone who took part in this survey.
>
> Richard.
Richard/Jake,
I know there have been a lot of community related things happening lately, but
have any recent developements been made on this or the bulk program in general?
thanks in advance.
Jonathan (longing for bulk grey/bley 2x2 tiles)
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In lugnet.lego, Jonathan Lopes wrote:
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Richard/Jake,
I know there have been a lot of community related things happening lately, but
have any recent developements been made on this or the bulk program in
general?
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I’m not sure if I’ve posted about it, but the original bulk brick survey results
were integrated into the discussion of what palette of bricks LDD would have at
launch, and in the future, and how that was going to tie into LEGO Factory. I
know it was a bit of weird survey, considering you didn’t know exactly “how” to
vote. But since LEGO Factory wasn’t yet announced, we couldn’t say much. And as
I mentioned at the time, I felt some amount of AFOL input into the process under
a cloud of secrecy was better than no input into the process at all.
So before I answer your specific question, I’d like to take moment to reflect on
how far the bulk brick abilities came in 2004. Between the every growing
expansion of PaB, LEGO Factory’s launch (and more importantly, future), LEGO
BrickMaster, special limited access orders for some clubs (with expansion
coming), spring cleaning tubs and sets, and of course the continuation of the
Designer sets, 2004 was pretty good for bulk.
So is there more coming? I’ll let you guess at that one... :)
But while you’re guessing, keep an eye out for an announcement of something fun
coming up sometime this month.
I’m such a tease, aren’t I?
Jake
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Jake McKee
Community Liaison
LEGO Community Development
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