LEGO SYSTEM Western/Wild West : 14


Western/Wild West / 14

Future Wild West Possibilities —Mike Kane

The Lego group really ought to have done more with this theme. Frankly, I love the Wild West stuff. Everything was good about this theme; the buildings and Indian camps looked really cool, there were those awesome six-shooters and rifles, other neat (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Daniel van Berkel

(...) Tru. A couple of months ago i posted a simillar mess. It's a shame the wild- west theme has ended so soon. It could have become a nice -city-theme too with a trainstation, saloon, buildings and ofcourse -trains.... Because TLG has cancelled (...) (25 years ago, 12-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Allan J. Smith

I agree ... I built my own western creations too... Check out my website for Western creations of: Saloon (with upstairs bordello) Barber shop Blacksmith Cabin Cemetery Stagecoach Prisoner wagon Gold miner ... Allan My LEGO creations site "Allanton (...) (25 years ago, 13-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Damien Nesbit

(...) that you do. It's great. I checked out a bunch of messages on this thread and its amazing how whiney and lazy some of the messages sound. A lot of people are asking for TLC to package sets that can easily be built with parts from existing (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) Well Damien, I'm not sure where you are reading whiney and lazy posts. All I can recall reading is posts of what people would like to see out of this theme. I agree that you can build many of the things mentioned in this thread from existing (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Damien Nesbit

(...) I didn't say any of the ideas were bad. I think most of 'em are pretty cool, but that us Lego users don't need to depend so much on the imagination of the Lego designers. A lot of people are mentioning that they'd like to see a wild west train (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

Well at least I think that you answered your own question. Money! Most people can't afford to buy old lego train sets that for the most part you will have to get off ebay. Lego is an expensive hobby enough without buying old discontinued sets that (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Damien Nesbit

Todd Lehman e-mailed me earlier on today and guided me towards Suzanne Rich's website www.baseplate.com. It's an awesome sight in general, but she may be able to aid some of you western enthusiasts specifically if you check out the (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Jonathan Wilson

(...) I saw a picture on a site of a brilliant western display made by TLG, with a western train, that looks just perfect (the engine does anyway). It would probobly sell like hotcakes with train fals, who want better trains and also with WW fans, (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Shiri Dori

(...) commitmenttowards (...) I think the site you're talking about is Eric Brok's site. Click on 'Displays by Lego', then on 'Wild West': (URL) tend to agree with your reasoning, BTW! HTH, -Shiri (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Gary R. Istok

(...) trains. That is because my all time favorite LEGO model set is #396 Thatcher Perkins (1863) locomotive. It is built to a larger scale than the normal LEGO trains. It has the feel and look of an old time western train. I have this set, and (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —James Simpson

(...) I noticed that 396 has yellow macaroni bricks...those have to be extremely rare, no? (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke

(...) rare, (...) I have not as many in yellow as I have in white, red and black, but I think blue ones have been more rare in the past (now you could find them in some sets during the last years. But Rarest macaroni bricks are the transparent ones. (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —James Simpson

(...) Do clear macaroni bricks really exist!!??? What set? I'd like to check it out on Brickshelf. (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Aaron Hines

<SNIP> (...) out (...) Yes, I believe I have ONE clear macaroni brick in my collection...unless I traded it already. I think Zonker got a couple clear bricks in trade when I wasn't paying much attention. =) Of course I got a Majisto and Dragon (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Gary R. Istok

Yes clear do exist. I have "several". If you want to know which set had the most, here it is (thanks to Horst Lehner's cool catalog website). This is the reverse side to the 1961-62 USA Samsonite Catalog, where the parts packs are located. Check out (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —James Simpson

(...) Cool! Thanks for the info.! (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Richard W. Schamus

(...) Town (...) had (...) USA, (...) Master (...) As Gary has said, yes they do exist. I used to be able to (once in a while) play with my Uncle's collection, which included clear macaroni bricks, and a neighbor friend of mine was lucky enough to (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Gary R. Istok

(...) As a kid growing up in Detroit in the early 1960's, whenever I got 50 cents or a dollar together I used to go up to the neighborhood bicycle shop, which also carried LEGO. I ended up buying the macaroni brick parts packs in every color (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Matthew Wilkins

There was also *one* available in 316 Fire Fighting Launch. If you look at the Brickshelf scan of the instructions (URL) the part in question is visible at the bottom of step 6 and the top of step 7. -Cheese (...) out (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Gary R. Istok

(...) Hi Ben, Funny you should talk about the half circle bricks..... I just found my October 29,1999 post here in lugnet.general where I talked about the rarest LEGO bricks. Rather than cross referencing it, I just copied/pasted it below. Enjoy! (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke

(...) Hi Gary, that's really interesting. I hadn't heard of those bricks before (and I'm a quite new Lugnet reader, so I missied your old post). Thanks for posting it again! Regards, Ben (25 years ago, 20-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Gary R. Istok

(...) Well yes and no. Macaroni Bricks have always been rather scarce, but I still think they make yellow ones in recent sets. The 396 also has blue macaroni bricks. But the scarce stuff are the red 6 large and 4 small spoked wheels (I think the (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Tom Stangl

Yes, yellow is extremely rare today. Luckily, The Construction Site has (had?) a Dacta set that has EIGHT of them in it, so I finally have some. Though buying a $70-80 set for 8 pieces is a bit extreme in my book, I HAD to have them ;-) (NO, I CAN'T (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Erik Olson

(...) The set is 9453. Check (URL) under DACTA, 5+ sets. It also has 4 white 2x2 classic windows and a 16x32 grey baseplate (course you can always make your own using scissors.) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) ...or you could simply buy a 6958 Android Base, which comes with one. ;) (Actually, have any recent sets come with a 32x32 grey baseplate?) best Lindsay (25 years ago, 18-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) Damien, I agree with you on most of your points. I am currently working on a western themed set up in which I am mixing elements from adventurer, ninja, and pirate sets that I own. It is a coastal fort with a near by town. When ever I get a (...) (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Damien Nesbit

No offense taken, david. I know that my style is a little abrasive. Did you see Shiri Dori's posting? It recommends checking out (URL) on 'Displays by Lego', then on 'Wild West'. It's pretty rad. I especially liked the brown railroad ties. (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) Ah yes I have seen this before. I had forgoten where I had seen it tho. I have always thought that those cattle were the coolest. If I could only get my hands on that many burps I would be set. Unfortunately I have had my lego buying reduced (...) (25 years ago, 17-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.trains)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Damien Nesbit

(...) Just to suggest how you might incorporate a variety of time periods into one display, consider some of the older cities of the world (especially the european ones that weren't ravished by the bombs of war) that have very antiquated (...) (25 years ago, 19-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

In lugnet.western, Damien Nesbit writes: Just to suggest how you might incorporate a variety of time periods into (...) Great Ideas. I think that gives me something to work on. I have been going to Fort Pickens here in Pensacola which is a civil war (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Allan J. Smith

(...) Between my Settlers Cabin and Outhouse there are cacti (some with red flowers). They were copied from ones I saw in an official LEGO Wild West display case. Allan J Smith (25 years ago, 16-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Arnold Staniczek

Does anyone have (...) Lego (...) 1. bisons 2. more bisons 3. saloon 4. barn 5. farm with settlers, cattle... 6. railroad theme 7. gold rush theme 8. judge, gallows Arnold (25 years ago, 27-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) I would agree. Also a ranch and a church. I think they should also do a southern theme with a tex-mex feel to it. You got to have those mexican banditos. Then a northern feel with a cabin and mountain men. Greatest wants 1. Shot gun (they (...) (25 years ago, 27-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Arnold Staniczek

(...) And what about a desert theme with 1. cattle skeleton 2. cactuses 3. vultures 4. coyote Arnold (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Dan Jezek

(...) love (...) I definitely agree. The western theme was excellent with great pieces, great minifigs, great color schemes and overall truly excellent overall models. The models weren't even juniorized, even though there were some BURPs (cough, (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Arnold Staniczek

(...) The (...) I definitely disagree here. IMHO the models were juniorized indeed: just think of the bank, general store, and bandits' hideout! , even though there were some BURPs (cough, (...) Another oddity was the assemblage of the four Fort (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —James Brown

(...) Hard to say... you are measuring it to a very demanding scale... Pirates and Castle (and Space) are the most popular themes LEGO has produced; it's a hard act to follow. I liked western - some good sets for parting out(1), and decent (...) (25 years ago, 28-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) I think they will go back to Wild west within the next three to four years. For now they are too busy with star wars and some of the other new themes. If we show more interest here for the western theme than in the past maybe they will take (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Jonathan Little

(...) A Civil War theme would be great!! They can have little forts, or some of the armored ships that started to appear then! Tons of playset possibilites . . . . -Jonathan (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) If (...) Now were talking. Who else wants a Civil War theme? David (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Shiri Dori

(...) left (...) I do!!! Cool... An Abraham Limcoln minifig... Black slaves... Black? There's a problem here. How would TLC deal with the issues of racism, slaves, etc.? Up till now, there weren't any black-white-minorities issues, since all (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Karl Martinson

(...) faces? (...) Go to the .starwars group, they've been debating the race issue for at least a week. Karl Martinson raymart@jam21.net (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Damien Nesbit

(...) Yeah, the message that I'm replying to is a couple months old, but I've gotta add my $.02 'cos this deals with some issues that are important to me. I didn't go back through the .starwars discussions to find where exactly the race issue comes (...) (25 years ago, 19-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

I to would love to see lando make it into lego. I just think something would be missing if he didn't. About lego not doing civil war sets, I would not rule it out. Remember Playmobil is a european company and they do american civil war figures. Lego (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Damien Nesbit

(...) Once upon a time it was evident that Lego was not a war toy, back when the castle and space themes were young, but it seems that with each new theme, or introduction of a sub theme Lego is just beggin' the kids to play war with their Legos. (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Jonathan Little

(...) I'm confused. There's all this talk about how Lego won't do a Civil war theme, because it's American and Lego is European. The thing is, the whole western theme is American, in the first place. The whole cowboys and indians (or Native (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars)

*Native* (was "Re: Future Wild West Possibilities") —Franklin W. Cain

Notice "Follow-Up"... (...) [screech!...] [CRASH!!!] You just hit one of my major pet peeves. *I* am a native American citizen. I am *NOT*, however, of the American Indian ethnicity!!! I was _born_ here in the US of A. _ANYONE_ who was _BORN_ within (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Steve Bliss

(...) It's because the "Wild West" is a genre of interest in Europe, possibly more than it is here. Very much from the mythological "Cowboys 'n' Injuns" POV, rather than real history. The US Civil War isn't of particular interest to Europeans (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) Ok, I just think I have to agree with Jonathan on this one. I think that there is interest for the american civil war in europe. I will make my Playmobil reference again. They are a European company and they have civil war sets. See for your (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Damien Nesbit

On 30 Dec. 1999, in lugnet.western, David little writes: "...the pirate era was [when] most of the slave trading [ocurred] and lego avoided that just as they could with the Civil War sets." I'm all for African minifigs. I want minifig heads in all (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) I read somewhere here that Lego only does yellow heads to stay away from race issues. Is this actually true? Has anyone confirmed this with Lego? Earlier I had just took the yellow head thing for gospel when I read it. Honestly I don't see (...) (25 years ago, 22-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

(canceled) —Jon Furman

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Jon Furman

(...) attributing my post to david little. I'm terribly sorry. Jon (25 years ago, 24-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Jon Furman

In lugnet.western, David Little writes: I whole heartedly agree on this one, if Lego wants to do something, it gets done, the star wars contract is a good example of that. I for one stopped waiting for black minifigs years ago. I've been making my (...) (25 years ago, 24-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Damien Nesbit

I just recieved an email from Jon Furman that included jpegs of his homemade nubian minifigs. They are really the motts and anyone who has followed this conversation that has not requested to recieve them from him really should get in touch. Also, (...) (25 years ago, 26-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Jon Furman

In thinking about the future of wild west possibilities, especially when combining WW with adventurers, the possibilities really are cool. The two time periods are the closest together of all the sets. You could set the time period towards the late (...) (25 years ago, 29-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

WW/Adv. cross-over (and a Tommy-Gun) -- was "Re: Future Wild West Possibilities" —Franklin W. Cain

[notice "follow-up"] (...) I've done this myself. I've got several WW figs that were originally Adv., and vice-versa. [snip] (...) [expression type="smirk"] Do tell... Why, yes, now that you ask, I *have* made a tommy-gun for my minifigs. (...) (25 years ago, 29-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.adventurers)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) I was wondering has anyone seen the rock raiders set 1276 in stores anywhere. I have not been able to find them in the stores here. I just thought that it would be a lot less costly to buy a bunch of 1276 than the whole minifig pack to get the (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Alan Gerber

(...) They're in Japan, attached to candy. Alan (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Frank Filz

(...) I wanted to point out that the kepi is now available in brown now in the new Adventurers series. Cheapest set with it is the Research Glider (I think the set number is 5921). See this post for some info about it: (URL) Frank Filz ---...--- (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Lindsay Frederick Braun

(...) Hmmm, I wonder if (to get this back "on topic" for .starwars) if TLG can't acquire a license to "F Troop"...or maybe to "Glory" (but then they'd have to handle race in minifigs, wouldn't they?). Idle speculation, and naturally it's got zero (...) (25 years ago, 21-Mar-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.starwars)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Richard Manzo

(...) faces? (...) That is where TLC will run into a problem. All minifigs are yellow so that any child, of any race can relate to them. no other toy on the market is as neutral as lego. for example the are 4 diffrent types of the same barbie doll- (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Shiri Dori

(...) I agree. TLC were definitely either real smart to avoid the issue, or just so stupid that they didn't even think about it. (Well... that's a bit far- fetched... :-) (...) I don't know about that - after all, it IS part of the US history. They (...) (25 years ago, 29-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) slaves (...) I never heard that TLC only had yellow figs to stay away from race issues. If so fine. But they shouldn't stay away from the Civil War just because of slavery or race issues. I mean this is part of our history. What a great way to (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Rich Manzo

(...) neutrality. (...) you (...) I also think that civil war lego is a good idea, but I dont think that they should have slaves in the sets. The civil war should was not just over slavery it was also over states rights, and to this day some people (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) I agree I don't think that they should have slaves in the sets. I don't even think that you have to go so far as making Grant, Lee, and Lincoln minifigs. If you keep races neutral then you should keep names and faces neutral too. Its about (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Rich Manzo

Just give us the tools to (...) Exactly right its up to the parents. And I totally agree with your final sentance there are so many kids who have no idea of their history and the history of their country. -Rich (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) What sets would you like to see? 1.I think that Jonathan's idea about the Iron Clads is great. 2.A huge earth and wood fort would be great too. 3.A camp set 4.What about a cool bridge that both sides could be trying win. What do you think? I (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —John Rudy

(...) I know this thread has been dead and gone for a while, but I've been thinking (I know what your thinking,"I can smell the wood burning"). I have a few ideas. (...) Great Idea! -Blockade runners -Southern subs (IE C.S.S. Huntly) -Torpedo (...) (25 years ago, 11-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Erik Olson

I'm new over here in .western, but I like it... I'm sure somebody already said "More western town!" This would be lots of cool, historical facades for buildings with second stories, architectural details like stringcourse & frieze below the roof, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) I can't agree more. There is just so much more left to be done with the western theme. I hope they bring it back before to long. I still would love to see a mexican-american based sub theme and a northern mountain man type of sub theme. David (25 years ago, 15-Mar-00, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —John Rudy

(...) neutrality. (...) Thinking from a marketing stand-point, The school history teachers (2-4th grades), not to mention college professors would grab this stuff right off the shelves, not to mention AFOL's and adult and KABOB history buffs. -John (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —John Rudy

(...) Who's to say they would need slaves? The Civil War was more than slavery, the could just concentrate on the battles and not the causes. (soap box mode et drifting off topic) The war was fought over the opression of the North on the South, (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Dave Schuler

(...) Regardless of what the Civil War *was* about, a lot of the current study and, more importantly, social relevance *is* about slavery. If Lego were making Civil War sets 135 years ago, maybe they wouldn't need to represent slavery. But now, to (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Shiri Dori

(...) I see your point - I know that in Israel nobody learns about the U.S. civil war in schools, especially not in elementary (the age to which LEGO is directed- 5 to 12) and I think not in High or Jr. High schools either. I definitely didn't (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) Do you think that people overseas would buy US Civil War Sets? I think they would sell really well in the states. I would love to see Zulu war Sets too.. David (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Shiri Dori

(...) Well, I don't know. They might... I mean, I don't think kids would be really interested in the background behind the scenes - only in the scenes themselves. Especially if they don't already know the background. -Shiri (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Jonathan Little

As far as the *need* for slaves in a American Civil War theme, I don't see where there is a need for any. Many historians will tell you that the slavery issue was a very minor point in the entire affair and was only brought up by Lincoln as a reason (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —John Rudy

(...) Don't forget to anger the south, the slaves there were posetions. (SP?) Slavery and the ultimate freeing of the slaves were just minor downfalls of the south. I encourage anyone who doesn't support the lego/Civil war issue because of racial (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Dave Schuler

In lugnet.western, John Rudy and others write: (...) Maybe one night when my insomnia's acting up! 8^) The U.S. is a culture which, idiotic though it be, recently castigated a public figure for using "niggardly" in a speech! Does anyone seriously (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Frank Filz

(...) The reason you don't see slaves in the pirate theme is that slaves really aren't part of the romanticized pirate genre. This is also the reason I doubt we will see a Civil War theme, or any other real war theme. They haven't been romanticized. (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) exclusion (...) deliberate (...) I would disagree with your thoughts on the Civil War not being romanticized or any other war for that matter. I mean just watch Gettysburgh they romanticize the dickens out of Pickets charge. How is that any (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Rich Manzo

(...) If TLC makes Civil war lego sets its a lose/lose situation. If the dont put slaves in the sets they they will be blasted for not dipictiing an inportant part of the civil war. If they do put slaves in the sets the will be blasted for making (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) or (...) romanticize (...) Valid points. I agree that they will probably not make a Civil War theme (which I hate to say). I still think that there is a way to do it tactfully and respectfully, tho. Like it was ealier said, you don't have to (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Rich Manzo

(...) Although I do not believe the civl war is a good war to choose, I dont want to give up a war theme either. I believe that if lego was to make a war theme they should make a fictional war, because no matter which war they choose, every war has (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —James Powell

If they do put slaves in the sets the will be blasted (...) What about the Union army units that were blacks? Sorry, I don't remember numbers of units, but I know some boston (mass) units were all blacks. Also, realize that the American Civil War (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Rich Manzo

(...) Sure it was. It was a war a long time in coming and the slavery issue that was the match that sparked the fire. It was also a war about states rights ETC. but my point was that if you dont put slaves in the sets TLC will have trouble, and if (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Frank Filz

David Little wrote in message ... (...) in (...) I (...) or (...) romanticize (...) castle (...) I have to admit to not having seen any of the Civil War movies (other than Gone With The Wind). I still say that the Civil War has not been (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Ninja and Castle? What? (was: Re: Future Wild West Possibilities) —Shiri Dori

In lugnet.western, Frank Filz writes: [snip] (...) Why should there be any interaction between ninja and other castle sets? One is in Japan, the rest is in Europe! How would they meet? (Where would they meet? Halfway thru? In Pakistan? :-) If (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western, lugnet.castle)

Re: Ninja and Castle? What? (was: Re: Future Wild West Possibilities) —Arjan Brugman

Shiri <shirid@hotmail.com> schreef in berichtnieuws FnL6up.CGL@lugnet.com... (...) One (...) fact, (...) You've got a reasonable point there, but what I think the other guy meant was that Ninja actually should've been a theme of its own. IMHO Ninja (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jan-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.castle)

Re: Ninja and Castle? What? (was: Re: Future Wild West Possibilities) —Shiri Dori

(...) Actually, I think Frank was just trying to make a point about conflicts - I was just picking on one certain sentence. See it in the context: Frank wrote the following anecdote: (...) So you see he was actually saying that TLC was avoiding (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.castle)

Re: Ninja and Castle? What? (was: Re: Future Wild West Possibilities) —Arjan Brugman

Shiri <shirid@hotmail.com> schreef in berichtnieuws Fnoq0K.2Bu@lugnet.com... (...) FnL6up.CGL@lugnet.com... (...) sets? (...) they (...) (In (...) I (...) be (...) whites (...) against the (...) ninja (...) with (...) Now that I read the anecdote, I (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-00, to lugnet.western, lugnet.castle)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Dave Schuler

(...) I had one set of plastic Civil War soldiers when I was about 4, but I haven't seen many other toys. However, this points out an interesting market trend that addresses a point made elsewhere on this thread: Someone suggested that a Civil War (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) I remember small plastic Civil War soldiers when I was younger as well. I do know that <a href="(URL)Playmobil</a> currently has Civil War sets out now. Check it out. I think that they have been doing Civil War for 20 years now if I remember (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Dave Schuler

(...) Well, now I don't know what to think, especially since Playmobil and Lego have run parallel product lines so often in the past! Dave! (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) I think Playmobil shows that the Civil War can be done. Not only that, but that it can be done tastefully with out causing hard feelings to anyone. You don't have to put people in chains. It doesn't have to have every detail of the war. It's (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Jonathan Little

(...) Personally, it seems to me that there would be an uproar if slaves *were* included in a Civil War theme. I remember a lot of very heated debates in an otherwise calm high school American History class when we discussed the topic of slavery and (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —Shiri Dori

(...) Well, I've never learned of the causes/effects of the U.S. Civil war, so I can't disagree. If the slaves were indeed just an excuse, then certainly TLC could drop them. If they wanted to, that is. (1) (...) Oooh! Guillotines and all the reign (...) (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —John Rudy

(...) Then why not release them U.S. exclusive at least, I know it would be a big seller in the U.S. (see (URL) ) (...) What were the imperial's in the pirate line? (...) And the Islanders? -John Rudy (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)

Re: Future Wild West Possibilities —David Little

(...) Civil (...) Great points! Besides the fact that during the pirate era was most of the slave trading and lego avoided that just as they could with the Civil War sets. David (25 years ago, 30-Dec-99, to lugnet.western)