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    I must leave... —Devin Michel
   I can't take it anymore! I have noticed a stream of immaturity and bickering that has gone too far. First, there are the SciBrick incidents. I can't understand what is going on here. The members involved were some of the most highly respected AFOL's (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
   
        Re: I must leave... —Devin Michel
     (...) ...where AFOLs can share their... (...) ...AFOL stands for... Sorry for the grammer. I was a little flusted when I wrote this. Blay On, Devin (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
   
        Re: I must leave... —Mark Sandlin
     (...) This sort of thing happens in any online forum, anywhere you go. Adults usually don't act like adults. This is a fact of life. I think almost all of us are guilty of making at least one post that could be considered childish or rash. If you (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Nathan Wells
     (...) Agreed...I did a whole series of dumbs posts that I really regret... *hides head in shame* (...) Ditto -- Nathan Wells, who is finally coming back from the Dark Side Of Castle and returning to space... (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
   
        Re: I must leave... —Kevin Blocksidge
     (...) Hi. From the way you write this, I fear that you are insinuating that I am to blame for this. I am given this impression by the fact that you single out my post, not the thread as a whole. This gives the impression that my post is symptomatic (...) (20 years ago, 15-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Devin Michel
     (...) Oh Kevin, far from it. I didn't want to get involved, but I was refering to Lee. But no more of this from me. As I said, now we all know who was wrong (especially himself). Sorry for the misunderstanding! Blay On, Devin (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Douglas R. Clark
     (...) Just to note, it appears that Lee has removed the offending sets from his bricklink store. I don't know how old he is, but maybe he truly didn't understand what he was doing was wrong? Dunno, I'd like to believe that he didn't have any (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
   
        Re: I must leave... —Adrian Drake
     (...) You know, it's remarkably easy to ignore most of the bickering, whining, complaining, and rabble rousing and focus on the MOCs. I've done it for years. But, if you have leave, well, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Oh, and to any (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)  
   
        Re: I must leave... —Matt Zitron
     I have to say my bit. I'm brand new here. I've posted one MOC, which I hope some of you enjoyed. ANyway, if people are being idiots here I have to remember one thing, we're all nerds here. We're adults who play with Lego. We know whats fun and we (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Devin Michel
     (...) Thank you Matt. You're like the spirit of Lego. The AFOL Ghandi. I could learn alot from you. (Oh and you too Mark. I didn't respond to your post, but you are right) Blay On, Devin (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
   
        Re: I must leave... —Douglas R. Clark
     (...) snip (...) Devin, Please don't take this personally. I don't really post here very often nor do you so we really don't know each other. I really have never understood the point of these "everything sucks, I'm leaving" posts. If you are looking (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)  
    
         Re: I must leave... —Devin Michel
     (...) Thanks. As I said to Matt. You're a Ghandi. I suppose I'm an immature Ghandi. I want the peace. Just don't know how the hell to get there. You guys have opened my eyes. That is...In the metaphysical sense...you know...like a metaphor? (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
   
        Re: I must leave... —Ley Ward
     Hello Devin, Well, I shall be sorry to see you go if you really must, but I hope you will reconsider. You've offered me encouragement on more than one occasion and I appreciate that. I know I never replyed to (URL) your response to my bots,> but I (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Devin Michel
     I really don't know what to say. I'm honored by what you say Mr. Ward, and that you said it. As you can see, I hold you in the very highest respect, the level reserved for people who save old ladies and blind people from walking into rush hour (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Ley Ward
     (...) Thank you for your kind words.(and kind math) There's no need for embarassment. You were temporarily blinded and about to step into that traffic... We just helped. Don't feel bad about growing up a bit in public, we humans do that. Besides, (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
   
        Re: I must leave... —Eric Sophie
     (...) I'll take the heat for that. Please don't let it reflect on SciBrick's good name and the AFoLs that are, the organization, or Sci-Fi and Fantasy fans. Rather it be said it was an unfortunate set of circumstances where people working together (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Devin Michel
      First Lee Ward, now Eric Sophie!?!? Oh, my head! I've gotten the point... I think though what drove me to such drastic actions as to making a complete ass of myself was that thought of Travis. It just... ok Sorry taking up server space. I think I'll (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Devin Michel
     I forgot to say something... Mr. Sophie, Thank you for being understanding. It made me feel a little better about this whole mess I made. I think we're on the same page. Blay On :-Devin (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Eric Sophie
     (...) That's cool, although I do hope your post serves to remind us all to continue to work towards keeping LUGNET a friendly place to be. I'll build something if you do! How's that?! e (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space)
   
        Re: I must leave... —Paul B Hartzog
     (...) I just noticed this by accident. As someone who has been here for quite some time along with Adrian and Mark, I'm going to agree with them and say trust the experience of those of us who've been here for a long time. Even I have made "I'm (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Gil Shaw
     (...) Every time we turf him out, he keeps coming back...like a fart in a spacesuit. Merry Christmas p0l! :) -G (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
   
        Re: I must leave... —Gerhard R. Istok
     (...) Devin, don't take it all too personally. Bickering happens even in the best of families. I have noticed that the sniping between folks happens in a lot of different chat groups, it isn't just lugnet. Having all these creative Lego juices (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
   
        It might be necessary to regroup elsewhere (was: Re: I must leave...) —Avery Christy
     Well, I can't blame you. And, while the loss of yet another AFOL weakens not only the community but also weakens the projects and richness of what some AFOLs are trying to do with their hobbies, you have to do what you have to do. In truth, I myself (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
    
         Re: It might be necessary to regroup elsewhere (was: Re: I must leave...) —Kevin Blocksidge
     (...) Sounds like you are trying to rewrite history. (URL) Here> is what actually occured. Doesn't seem like snobbish, elitist, ill manners to me. What did happen was this: you posted in an inappropriate forum(s)(1), and were corrected. Plain and (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
   
        Re: I must leave... —Leonard Hoffman
     I was going to ignore this, but I decided against. I mean, deciding to leave a forum because of a few spats? I know someone else pointed out that ANY community is going to have its spats and drama. (...) Let me point out: All effort was made to make (...) (20 years ago, 16-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Jason S. Mantor
      That'd be me : ( I still don't know the entire deal and I wish I didn't know some of it. It was a rash decision on my part but, I did learn some things from it. Which brings me to my point: Bickering is not all bad. Disagreements happen. Any (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.space)
    
         Re: I must leave... 'but ohh stay and build' —Eric Sophie
      (...) This is all very interesting. I get the feeling that most everything will work out just fine. The original author of this thread has acted like a catalyst to promote understanding. cool. space on. e (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.space)
    
         Re: I must leave... —Jason S. Mantor
     Here's an example : If this thread never existed I'd never have seen these : (URL) *ARE* worth it :) (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.space)
   
        Re: I must leave... —Tony Hafner
   (...) Tips for enjoying lugnet: Post as often as possible to MOCs. Never post a MOC comment that doesn't include at least something positive. If those two statements conflict, dig deeper for something nice to say. Give and receive criticism with a (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX) ! 
   
        Re: I must leave... —Larry Pieniazek
   In lugnet.space, Tony Hafner wrote: (some very good advice) Thanks Tony! That post made this thread worthwhile, in my view. That and the pics... (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.space, FTX)
 

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