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Re: MDP Status
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Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:38:55 GMT
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"Steve Hassenplug" <steve@teamhassenplug.org> wrote in message
news:IuH5uw.1GI2@lugnet.com...
> On Fri, February 10, 2006 2:51 am, Allan Johansen wrote:
> > "Steve Hassenplug" <steve@teamhassenplug.org> wrote in message
> > news:IuG0JL.1xIx@lugnet.com...
> > > In lugnet.robotics, Steve Hassenplug wrote:
> > >
> > > We did give them a big list of suggestions (many people from LUGNET and
> > > such),
> > > but they also want "fresh blood". So, who knows.
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> > I must admit that I'm very disappointed to hear that such a list exist.
> > Why
> > should one group of people, who just so happens to be part of a
> > particular
> > newsgroup, have an advantage over people who are not members?
> >
> > This is not just wrong, this is blatant cheating and favouritism.!
>
>
> It's totally possible, there's someone out there that builds much better
> robots
> than I do, and would have been a much better MUP than I am, but they've
> never
> posted anything on the internet. However, because I'm part of a
> particular
> newsgroup, I have an advantage over people who are not members. So I was
> selected. Sorry, that's how it is.
>
> I don't exactly see how it's "cheating". I just happen to be part of this
> community.
>
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> If you had a thousand names, and you had to pick one hundred of them, how
> would
> you do it? Do you randomly select one of every ten? You're clearly going
> to
> omit some of the more qualified people. Even a long questionare is only
> going
> to tell you so much.
>
> So, how do you pick them?
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> We recommended a list of very qualified people from around the world to
> help
> take the MDP to the next level. To me, building the MDP is about building
> a
> foundation for the community. I think a good way to do that is to select
> people
> from the community. Of course, you want to add as many "other" people as
> possible to fill out the list.
>
> It's easy to say this is wrong, and unfair, but how would you do it?
>
> Steve
I would have made a list of the requirements of those who I wanted to be
part of the project, then I would have cross-reference this list with the
list of those who have applied, and from that cross-reference I would have
found those that I needed.
Nothing more - nothing less. I would certainly not start looking for people
elsewhere.
Why make a questionnaire if you'd rather go looking for participants on
Lugnet?
Perhaps I was a bit harsh in my first message, but I'm feeling very
disappointed right now. When I signed up for this project, the message from
TLG was that it needed 100 people chosen from those who had submitted an
application. What I have now learned, is that they don't really need 100
people, because some of these places have already been taken by users from
Lugnet. If TLG had said: "We will select 100 people who have applied - and
if you want to improve your chances, go to Lugnet and tell Steve a bit about
yourself" then it would have been ok. But they didn't, they only said they
people should sign up for the program - nothing more.
From your message, I get the impression that those who have posted messages
here have a much improved chance of being admitted to the program - because
you suggested them to TLG.
The best comparison I can find is this:
Imagine you buy a lottery ticked that promises you a 1/100 chance of
winning.
Now, imagine that you discover that the ticked your neighbour bought
actually gives him a 1/80 chance of winning - because he happened to know
one of the guys who runs the lottery.
Wouldn't you feel cheated?
That's how I'm feeling right now. Not that I ever thought that I had much of
a chance (I don't have much to offer TLG except my enthusiasm and 2 years as
a student of computer science - not much compared to many of those who post
here.), but it's nice to daydream for a little while.
- Allan (who's just been rudely awakened from his NTX-daydream...)
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| (...) Nothing more? But, your list still has 300 names on it. You can compare it to the lottery, but wouldn't it be better to compare it to applying for a job? (as a developer?) Steve (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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| Allan, You seem to be assuming that LEGO tossed out the applicant list and pciked whomever they wanted. Why do you think that? I hate to say it, but it is obvious that reputation matters. Look at the original four MUPs. They have fantastic (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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| (...) It's totally possible, there's someone out there that builds much better robots than I do, and would have been a much better MUP than I am, but they've never posted anything on the internet. However, because I'm part of a particular newsgroup, (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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