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Re: Apology for Jesse Long
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Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:43:54 GMT
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I agree completely, I know you don't need reassurance that you're right,
but you are.
I feel that I did nothing wrong in my replies to Jesse. I really wanted
him to understand what I was trying to get across. It didn't work, and
that's really frustrating. I can't understand how he perceives people's
text, but it was obvious to me that he took offense at mine. Whether I
meant it to be offensive or not, it was and I felt the need to apologize.
Just so you all know, I'm not trying to condescend and I still feel that
Jesse needs to change.
-Nathan
In lugnet.people, Shiri Dori writes:
> I gotta back Matt up here. People were acting quite normally towards Jesse
> at first, only giving him constructive criticism as to how to get his points
> across in posts. But look, Geordan, Jesse has been here for awhile (more
> than a month at least, right?) and with every post, more and more people get
> frustrated. In my case, Jesse asked me about ten or twenty times if I hate
> him (for no apparent reason!!) and if I get mad at him. I never did until he
> started repeating that question in every post, y'know? It kinda got on my
> nerves after I replied three or four times, saying "no, I don't hate you!"...
>
> Now, to be more specific...
>
> In lugnet.people, Matthew Gerber writes:
> > In lugnet.space, Geordan Hankinson writes:
> > > I agree with Jesse on this one Matt, You guys need to buck up and start
> > > ating your age. Making fun of him for the way he posts, realates to people
> > > ie, "how to post effectively 101" or whatever it was called, is stupid and
> > > unnnesescary (sp). That is the way he posts and how he relates to other
> > > people and there is no reason to make fun of Jesse for that, Do you make fun
> > > of people who stutter? hopefully not. • <snip>
> > > Do you make fun of people with different colour skin? again, hopefully not.
> > > Stuttering and skin colour are things that cannot be helped, as are Jesse's
> > > conditions. I want people to stop acting like children and treat Jesse with
> > > the respect that he deserves.
>
> This has *nothing* to do with skin color, and definitely not stuttering.
> When you're typing a message online you can reread it, edit it as many times
> as you like, etc; it's not like when you stutter and can't help it. It's
> *definitely* not like skin color - which is not "to be helped" but also
> shouldn't be! There's nothing to be ashamed of in one's skin color (not in
> stuttering either, but much more so in skin color, if that makes sense...).
> Look, I don't see anyone making fun of people for their spelling, even if
> they make mistakes often, maybe (or maybe not!) for learning disability
> reasons, etc. (OK, there are occasional jabs, but only when the mistake
> leads to a funny word combination. Not really toward the person making it.)
> Does that make sense? People are not laughing at Jesse because he can't post
> well; they're annoyed because he doesn't seem to be trying. It's not at all
> like stuttering, and *definitely* not to skin color!!!... it's a
> behavior/netequitte thing, that you *can* change. Just like a lot of people
> tease Larry for being self-conscious, like people get annoyed when excessive
> threads are in the wrong places. We are a community - a society of sorts -
> and we have norms of expected behavior. And the community will, as with any
> other community, try to make people stick to that norm, within reason, and
> without changing who they are. There are quite a few examples of people who
> were not well-received at first, and who changed their attitude and behavior
> and are now great contributing members of the community.
>
> > > If this makes your respect level for me drop, fine I don't care, as long as
> > > your respect for Jesse has gone up. (1)
>
> It doesn't make my respect for you drop, nor my respect for Jesse go up...
>
> <snip>
>
> > Now, I don't care how old someone is, or what may be said to be wrong with
> > them, but there is something to be said for "fitting in" (not a popular
> > concept in peoples minds, but one they have to adhere to each and every
> > day...no matter who they are, where they are, or what they are doing).
>
> I agree here - I don't think you mean in the sense of "be like everyone
> else, you should like this and that and hate this or that"... but rather in
> the "there's some things we just do and some things we *don't*". For
> example, in real life, the first sense would be "We don't like you coz you
> don't like Britney Spears [ewww! ;-)] or don't wear these clothes", but more
> along the lines of "don't walk around in the streets naked because it won't
> be well received" and "don't walk up to people you don't know and stand 2
> inches from them and stare" (unless you're on the subway and it's packed!!).
> Does that make sense? We're not telling Jesse to like this thing or that,
> we're not telling him to do things that are against his morals (I would
> think!) but just a few simple (n)etiquette things. They would make his
> opinion clearer and make people want to listen to him. And there is a lot to
> be said about how you present your argument.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Now, I'm not going to research posts at this point, because I feel I am
> > taking WAY to much time with this as it is (the phrase "beating a dead
> > horse" comes to mind),
>
> Likewise. I've got more important things to do, so I'll pretty much end here...
>
> > so feel free to read EVERYTHING written by or to
> > Jesse on LUGNET, in chronoligical order. You'll see I'm right. On the rare
> > occasion that Jesse is coherent and civil to someone, they respond in kind.
> > You'll see the frustration grow. But keep this in mind...with EACH and EVERY
> > post to Jesse, a LUGNET member is still trying to communicate with him. NO
> > ONE has shut him out, shut him down, or shut him up.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > If Jesse intends to stay around LUGNET, it is up to him to accept the
> > ribbing and teasing that his current behavior has earned him (and I've also
> > previously written about that, running gags and the collective comedy
> > conciousness and all). It is also up to him to accept the occasional
> > frazzled reply to his current posting style, or decide to change how he
> > interacts with others here to get the responses he desires. It's just that
> > simple.
>
> Yup.
>
> -Shiri
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