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Re: Apology for Jesse Long
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Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:13:29 GMT
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> Geordan,
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> I'm going to tell you a story...not a defense, kinda' an explanation, but
> definately NOT a flame toward you or anyone else...get from it what you will...
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> Once upon a time, or about February 2001, I found LUGNET.
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> I began posting, and, like many newcomers, got into it a bit with a couple
> of people (Hi Larry and Richard!).
>
> Just like any community where a new person joins (school, work, club,
> whatever), there are always some akward times at the beginning...newcomers
> always have to learn the ins-and-outs of the community, ang get to know the
> others around them. This is ESPECIALLY hard on the Internet, where faceless
> folks often act in ways they can't in real life...mean, snippy, lewd, whatever.
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> What is different here at LUGNET, however, is that 1) the folks here truly
> care about their a) community, b) hobby, c) and each other, and 2) folks
> usually stick to the ToU as written. ToU violators are given multiple
> chances to comply. It's a very happy dictatorship.
>
> Now, I don't care how old someone is, or what may be said to be wrong with
> them, but there is something to be said for "fitting in" (not a popular
> concept in peoples minds, but one they have to adhere to each and every
> day...no matter who they are, where they are, or what they are doing).
> Despite MANY multiple posts and e-mails starting at plesant "you'd get along
> better if..."... to facetious "what about the wings"...to frustrated "if you
> can't make coherent posts, don't post to me"...Jesse has run the gamut of
> responses from LUGNET folks. All to no avail. Chances have abounded, and all
> have been met with a veritable brick wall.
>
> Now, I'm not going to research posts at this point, because I feel I am
> taking WAY to much time with this as it is (the phrase "beating a dead
> horse" comes to mind), so feel free to read EVERYTHING written by or to
> Jesse on LUGNET, in chronoligical order. You'll see I'm right. On the rare
> occasion that Jesse is coherent and civil to someone, they respond in kind.
> You'll see the frustration grow. But keep this in mind...with EACH and EVERY
> post to Jesse, a LUGNET member is still trying to communicate with him. NO
> ONE has shut him out, shut him down, or shut him up.
> I challenge you to find one LUGNET poster who outright told him to leave
> LUGNET. I also challenge you to find one LUGNET poster who hasn't given
> Jesse more that a fair chance to communicate here. I don't think you
> can...because that's not how folks are around here (well maybe in
> off-topic.debate...but that's a specialized case).
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> My point is this (and I've written it before): Jesse needs to learn that
> folks have had his best LUGNET inerests at heart, and over time, he has worn
> down even the most patient people here to a frazzled nub of their former
> politeness. You say that folks aren't being fair to Jesse...well I say that
> he hasn't been fair to everyone else...the post history proves me correct.
> If Jesse intends to stay around LUGNET, it is up to him to accept the
> ribbing and teasing that his current behavior has earned him (and I've also
> previously written about that, running gags and the collective comedy
> conciousness and all).
Ribbing! HA! example: "My family thinks this too
Tim, but I'd rather not talk about my father, my drug-addicted sister, my
alcoholic brother, my rude mother, my stupid uncle Joe, and my demonic aunt
Susan. "
That is more like stabbing
It is also up to him to accept the occasional
> frazzled reply to his current posting style, or decide to change how he
> interacts with others here to get the responses he desires. It's just that
> simple.
Point well taken Matt, but that isn't really my point,
Granted, Jesse has a number of things that he can change, ex. posting the
same thing over and over. But I am 99% percent sure, after speaking with him
through e-mail for about a week, that alot of the behaviour he demonstrates
is normal for him and that's just how he is and nothings changing that. I'm
assuming that our view of "abnormal" grammer and word positioning is in his
view would be what he would consider "normal." I really think that Jesse
would change the way he writes, if he could.
My first post was not talking about me getting upset about people
disagreeing or arguing with him, I was geting ticked off because people were
making fun of the way he posts and his word placage (not a word, oh well)
I don't care about the whole argument and disagreeing in the "wings" thread,
what I'm talking about is people ridiculing him in off-topic.fun for the way
he writes and the way he conveys himself. I'm not mad at people that
directly disagree with him and then spout some words of frustration, I'm mad
at the AFOLS who make fun of him just because of his posting style.
Generally this is caused because he annoyed them in a earlier thread, but if
you're mad at him tell him in a contained way in the original thread, don't
take it to .fun and start making fun of him.
I think that the way he sees written material etc. is normal for him, but
abnormal for us and I think that some of us should just get used to it cuz
that's just who Jesse is and there ain't nothin stopping that. So go ahead
and get mad at him for his opinion, that's not my beef. Just please don't
take it to .fun and start making fun of him. Getting into heated discussions
like the "wings" thread, is just what you have to deal with, but you
shouldn't have to deal with people ridiculing you calling your parents
drunks etc. for a condition you have.
That's all,
-Geordan-
> Anyway, that's about the last I'm going to write on this subject. It is also
> only my thoughts and opinions, so you can take them or leave them as you will.
>
> Matt
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> (I meant to post my last message in .people...appologies to .space for the
> last clutter...FUT .people)
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| (...) Ummm...Geordan, you are obviously not reading the all of the posts, all of my post here, or follow-up posts properly. JESSE WROTE ALL OF THAT! Get it now? Jesse himself brings up things like that, in simple posts to .space. He uses off-hand (...) (23 years ago, 5-Aug-01, to lugnet.people)
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| (...) Geordan, I'm going to tell you a story...not a defense, kinda' an explanation, but definately NOT a flame toward you or anyone else...get from it what you will... Once upon a time, or about February 2001, I found LUGNET. I began posting, and, (...) (23 years ago, 5-Aug-01, to lugnet.people)
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