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Re: When the world was young - thoughts
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Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:34:49 GMT
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In lugnet.org.us.nelug, Joe Comeau writes:
> Just s quick FYI...I haev the write-up done, but I can't link the pics in
> until I get home tomorrow :(
Woohoo! Can't wait to see the writeup :) [I just want to see mention of the
spear that Joe managed to grab]
> > 1) REMATCH. When and where? I propose that we have a rematch where
> > NOTHING is changed troop or scenery wise - but I guess we'll need some
> > more magic items.
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> Fine with me...the next two weekends look bad, but thereafter, I seem to be
> pretty open.
I think I'm pretty free... I have to find out what's going on for the last
weekend in May (I may be busy), but otherwise I don't have any plans at the
moment for weekends in the near future.
> > 3) What's the point of a cap? 89? That's not even close to 50! 2300?
> > That's not even close to 2000. 54 is forgivable, 2050 is too, but
> > seriously, what's the point of cap if it's going to be ignored, and if it's
> > going to be ignored, why didn't anyone tell our team? :)
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> Oh come now...it was only *one* unit and he was an easy target!
Easy *target* I suppose... I just can't believe we did 21d6 damage to him
and he lived :) Mental note-- next time shoot to incapacitate :)
> In fact, the cap only pertained to normal units, not ballista. Just think of
> him as an organic ballista. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! (Okay,
> the *real* story is that it just seemed silly to have a Dragon Lord that was
> no more powerful than a bajillion other units on the field and after Shaun was
> kind enough to hand over all of costing information, it no longer seemed
> like it would be a problem).
Was he scored as a vehicle or as a creature? Theoretically it says that
things much larger than a horse should be scored using the vehicle rules,
which proved to be ... interesting. I tried scoring my golems & Trogdor that
way and they came out "similar" in nature. The armor was worse, but the move
rates were better, and the vehicle cost was a tad higher.
As for the ballista's being under the 50 CP cap, that wasn't much of a
problem :) They were *definitely* under the limit. I think one of Shaun's
ballista's would come in at roughly 23 CP (3 CP base vehicle cost + MKI mass
driver). Maybe tack on a few extra CP's for the ammo needed, but that
probably wouldn't be much more than 1 CP apiece. The slaves needed to power
it would be what... 2 CP apiece? So needs 3 slaves to load it (or 2 stronger
slaves), and someone to fire it, who would probably cost another 10 CP or
so. So... maybe around 40-50 CP all told?
> > 4) Now that we all have some idea of the capabilities and what not -
> > perhaps the game will go a bit faster this time.
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> Actually, it would probably only go a little faster.
Heh, if anything it might even go slower :) We missed a bunch of rolls and
the like that I'd probably make sure to include if playing in a rematch :)
> The true issue is that
> having large armies is combersome in BW, unless you treat a grouping of
> troops as a single unit (so they all move the same amount in the same
> direction, attack the same thing and all share the same fate when attacked).
> Otherwise we run into issues where we now have 20-odd different troops
> taking oppertunity fire (each with there own hit/damage/defend rolls) on
> every turn on each side, not to mention things like poision and duration
> effects that cause you to roll for and track every single unit until it
> wears off or the unit dies. Sound familiar?
Yep. We cut corners lots of places in this game-- there were LOTS of rolls
for duration, skill, poison damage, etc that we just skipped. Theoretically
Joe should've rolled a seperate skill roll for every one of Wayne & Tom's
troops he incinerated with his massive blasts, etc. Not to mention that the
ground should've been burning in a few places and potentially dying out
and/or spreading according to fire rules...
> My suggestion is that we do the rematch, exactly as is and then come up with
> some mods to the rules concerning large armies for us to use in the future.
> The handbook mentions some of this, but I haven't gone back to look it over
> yet.
Yeah, we definitely need some ground rules on large armies like this. The
sheer volume of troops and magic spells going on for each player (ok, not as
much Tom & Wayne's army) were staggering. Probably would be better with:
- MUCH less magic proportional to the army size
- a lower overall CP limit
- less poison, fire, and area duration spells
DaveE
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| "David Eaton" <deaton@intdata.com> wrote in message news:HE63I2.E8F@lugnet.com... <snip> (...) Actually, that's very funny. I scored him at 59 CP (which was reasonable), but he didn't have any magic. Once I saw Shaun's stats, I cave him 10 SP (30 (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.org.us.nelug)
| | | Re: When the world was young - thoughts
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| (...) I'm not sure if Joe actually got anything. I picked up the spear and Dave got the scimitar, but there should still be one more special item left for the next game. (...) I should be free any weekend in May. Do we want to do it on a Saturday (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.org.us.nelug)
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| "Jennifer L. Boger" <jenn@peeron.com> wrote in message news:HE5y1E.1qL6@lugnet.com... (...) happened (we (...) Just s quick FYI...I haev the write-up done, but I can't link the pics in until I get home tomorrow :( (...) NOTHING (...) items. Fine (...) (21 years ago, 30-Apr-03, to lugnet.org.us.nelug)
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