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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Calum Tsang wrote: <snip> (...) I always like it when Calum speaks, but I'll respectfully disagree-- Over the past few days, I've been forming a design in my head about the 'bot I want to build for rtl20 to encompass all (...) (19 years ago, 25-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Oh, please... We all know that the intent is to be sugestive, and so will everyone there. Comparing it to the spacecraft is naive. Why not this: blocks are to be dropped into a basket. However, you don't want blocks to be droped into your (...) (19 years ago, 25-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) That's a good idea for a competition. I'm sure we'd have to define the rules a bit to state that the hopper can't be covered, and once a block is in the hopper, no mechanism can knock it out of the hopper... Here's the thing about the other (...) (19 years ago, 26-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Oh my god! I had a good idea? Wow. I think if a hopper design was posted that had to be made exactly the same, and there were some minor requirements for where you can attach it, and you just say "you intentially can't knock recived blocks (...) (19 years ago, 26-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Okay, unfortunately I can't reply en masse to everyone here, but some points: Chris, I know you want to do this, but I can't see how this is actually going to work. I mean, I want peace and harmony in the world, but is it practical? Can you (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) so much to say.... so little time. ---...---warning all caps ahead---...--- THIS IS NO LONGER ABOUT THE TEE HEE FACTOR. THIS IS A GOOD GAME, WITH A LOT OF COMPLEX MECHANICAL AND PROGRAMING REQUIREMENTS. IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER, THEN RENAME (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) This makes no sense. It ONLY means the shoe box must have a lid. (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) if your shoe box has a LID steve, then how do you propose to get the blocks on the inside? (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Sorry I didn't totally explain it. My shoebox also has a couple HITWs. I guess if you can't build an autonomous robot that out preforms a box, the best thing to do is outlaw boxes. ?!? (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) No it makes perfect sense. When I though this was an opened topped contest my first thought was to make a robot that would drive to the center of the arena and explosively fire all 10 blocks in the air. I figured I had a good chance of getting (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Chris Magno wrote: <snip> (...) I'm in for the currently proposed rules (vertical opening, etc...) Dave K -who would rather not show his working 'bot before the competition 'cause that kinda defeats teh purpose of (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Yes, but if the scoring is the number of your blocks in other unique 'bots times the number of other unique blocks in yours, a box can't win--no blocks going into others... That said, if you have your box able to get blocks into other 'bots (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) ok you lost me now. IF your shoe box has a lid and a HOLE in the WALL (HITW) then why are we arguing??? you just described my rule set of a closed hopper with a HITW. ????? (confused) (...) using daves original idea, a shoe box is a VERY GOOD (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) no one has EVER said your EOAT has to ENTER another bot to deposit a brick. hell, with a know size and hight for the HITW,just build a lego gun on a turret. that was my idea. (couples with a few wiskers to feel for the HITW) Chris (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Boy - I've been standing here ignoring this and hoping for a decision on a game, but feel I have to jump in here. I completely disagree that the rings were an end-run around the game rules. They were about the BEST interpretation of the (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Except this is a Mindstroms robots group. I want to see Mindstroms robots being used. Not just a LEGO contraption. It's like what Chris said in another post here, I want to see robot enteries and LEARN something from them. RCX robots are neat. (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) i never said it was an end run... i said that i LEARNED nothing. huge differance. i got to take home Daves robot to "study" it. i picked up a few neat ideas. i memorized the ring robot design, and moved on. ROB, for me. its about the LEARNING. (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Greg - I agree completely! My point was not that we should endorse loophole entries or trivial entries, but encourage contests that lend them to an RCX solution. I also liked Dave's bot the best. It was well designed and exceptionally cool to (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Expet if we add my idea that you DON'T want any block in your box. Sitting still would be BAD. Run away! Then Derek's "blast a lot of bricks into the air" idea could work... leading to LUCK winning or losing the game (however I like that idea, (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Chris Magno wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> So the ruleset up to now--create an autonomous robot that will exchange blocks with other autonomous robots. The specifics are that the container to hold blocks on your robot has to (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) thank you greg. well said. and a very good point. sadly, we will forever have to struggle with where a line is between allowing non rcx bots and rcx based bots. why was robs monkey bot OK? why was my beam robot ok? why was a ring robot not? (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Then, grasshopper - if you learned nothing I am saddened, Is a competitive contest there are two ways to "win": 1) to succeed by completing the objective. 2) to cause the opponent to fail, thus win by default. This is why the "trivial case" (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Rob Antonishen wrote: > On 9/27/05, Chris Magno wrote: > snipping rob being patronizing. Maybe adding a standing rule that all entries > have to run once on their own in a "qualifying" round to compete. > now this idea has some merit !!!! THIS rule (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I don't really like this. I think the opening should be much more constrained, like Chris was talking about. X blocks high Y studs wide. No variation allowed. It's going to be hard to tell if you found a hole, or are stuck between two other (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) And this system has worked amazingly well for 19 competitions. But it's for this reason you probably won't see me around on Feb. 11th. And as I've felt for quite a while, our oppinion, in the end, doesn't count. They "TRY" (in captial letters) (...) (19 years ago, 27-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Either way, with HITWs or with open topped hoppers, I'm all for this game, and think it'll be a good challenge. I think part of the challenge will be to make a good EOAT to deposit DNA, while at the same time building/programming the 'bot to (...) (19 years ago, 28-Sep-05, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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