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Re: Saw the movie today! (bit OT)
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In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Dave Schuler writes:
> That's not a bad point, and I should have specified "major 20th century works
> of Western fantasy.
Asimov's magazine (arrived yesterday) carries an article contrasting polar
opposites Tolkien and ... Mervyn Peake (_Gormenghast_). Somehow I have
managed to delay learning more than how to spell that, and this columnist
considers him the "other" branch of modern fantasy (no orcs, trolls, or
dragons need apply.)
> Of course, if one wishes to extend the discussion to cover "weird fantasy,"
> then obviously Lord Dunsany and Lovecraft are two writers not notably
> influenced by Tolkien!
Being alive to read Tolkien upon publication would be part of that...
On infuences from another point of view...
I like Thomas Disch' s chapter title "Poe: Our Embarassing Ancestor". In
which he blames Edgar Allen Poe for the major shallow themes of 20th century
imaginative fiction. (see _The Dreams our Stuff is made of_, a misleading
title for a book of essays on sf tropes.)
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| (...) Hmm.. Another great point. Maybe I should reduce the "absoluteness" of my earlier comment, and say simply that many post-Tolkien writers are very heavily influenced by him. How's that for non-commital?! 8^) (...) Feh! Time and space are surely (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| (...) That's not a bad point, and I should have specified "major 20th century works of Western fantasy. All of these Victorian Witchcraft writers played their part, but honestly none can be said to have had the impact of Arthur, Gandalf, or Harry. (...) (23 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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34 Messages in This Thread: ![Saw the movie today! -Huw Millington (10-Nov-01 to lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.harrypotter)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/246.gif) ![Re: Saw the movie today! -Simon Bennett (12-Nov-01 to lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.harrypotter)](/news/x.gif) ![](/news/46.gif) ![Re: Saw the movie today! -Richard Noeckel (12-Nov-01 to lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.harrypotter)](/news/x.gif)
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