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Re: Saw the movie today! (bit OT)
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Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:03:29 GMT
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Ah yes cool I'd forgotten those. I'll add them to the list :)
(by the way the list in the last posting was a JOKE) :P
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James Stacey
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#925 - I'm a citizen of Legoland travelling Incommunicado
"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message
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> In lugnet.off-topic.fun, James Stacey writes:
> > And no you're right [HP] doesn't copy LotR at all lets look at the facts • :)
>
> > HP: Young wizard Harry joins three others of his kind to protect the • world
> > from all-powerful evil.
> > LOTR: Young hobbit Frodo joins three others of his kind to protect the • world
> > from all-powerful evil.
>
> So, any time four characters unite against a powerful enemy, it's • derivative
> of Tolkien?
>
> > HP: Heroic sorcerer Dumbledore is wise, kindly, silver-haired old man who
> > battled the story's villain long ago.
> > LOTR: Heroic sorcerer Gandalf is wise, kindly, silver-haired old man who
> > battled the story's villain long ago.
>
> So, any time an old character has a pre-story history with the enemy, • it's
> derivative of Tolkien? And I would point out that Gandalf isn't • especially
> "kindly."
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> > HP: Bad guy Voldemort has one name, is virtually impossible to kill, • takes
> > over the minds of his slaves (whom he abandons when necessary) and must
> > capture an enchanted stone to rule forever.
> > LOTR: Bad guy Sauron has one name, is virtually impossible to kill, takes
> > over the minds of his slaves (whom he abandons when necessary) and must
> > capture an enchanted ring to rule forever.
>
> So, any time a villain has a single name, has enslaved thralls, and • quests
> for an object, it's derivative of Tolkien?
>
> > HP: Non-magical humans are usually complacent fatheads who can't imagine
> > that a nearly omnipotent malefactor is preparing to terrorize them.
> > LOTR: Non-hobbit humans are usually complacent fatheads who can't imagine
> > that a nearly omnipotent malefactor is preparing to terrorize them.
>
> So, any time the background players aren't involved in/aware of the • danger,
> it's derivative of Tolkien?
>
> > HP: Hero is interfered with by slimy, envious Draco, who puts obstacles • in
> > his path and unknowingly aids Dark Lord Voldemort.
> > LOTR: Hero is interfered with by slimy, envious Gollum, who puts • obstacles
> > in his path and unknowingly aids Dark Lord Sauron.
>
> So, any time an antagonist prevents the protagonist from reaching his • goal,
> it's derivative of Tolkien?
>
> > HP: Written by British author who uses initial J instead of a first name.
> > LOTR: Written by British author who uses initial J instead of a first • name.
> > Coincidence? You decide.
>
> Well, you're obviously on the right track with this one!
> Here are a few you missed:
> HP: Main protagonist is male
> LOTR: Main protagonist is male
>
> HP: Main character has a wand (an obviously phallic image)
> LOTR: Main character has a sword (an obviously phallic image)
>
> HP: Main character has a broomstick (traditionally
> associated with female witches)
> LOTR: Main character has a Ring (a traditionally vaginal
> image, therefore female)
>
> HP: Main character has glasses that improve his vision
> LOTR: Main character has a Ring that, among other things,
> improves his vision
>
> HP: Harry Potter has brown hair
> LOTR: Frodo Baggins has brown hair
>
> HP: Harry Potter is short of stature
> LOTR: Frodo Baggins is short of stature
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> HP: So far, there are four main books
> LOTR: Including "The Hobbit," there are four main books
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> HP: Characters use magic
> LOTR: Characters use magic
>
> HP: Written by a person using primarily English words
> LOTR: Written by a person using primarily English words
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> HP: Read by people
> LOTR: Read by people
>
> HP: Turned into a film
> LOTR: Turned into a film
>
> With all this additional evidence, it's difficult to deny that HP is a
> page-for-page copy of Lord of the Rings! How could I have missed it?!
> My point is that, if you use selective observation as you have done, • it's
> easy to make any work appear to be derivative of any other.
>
> Dave!
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| (...) snip and James goes on to give several other striking similarities. I am 30 years old, and I have read the Hobbit, LoTR, and most all of JRR Tolkien's other related works, as well as most of Christopher Tolkien's scholarship on his father's (...) (25 years ago, 7-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| (...) So, any time four characters unite against a powerful enemy, it's derivative of Tolkien? (...) So, any time an old character has a pre-story history with the enemy, it's derivative of Tolkien? And I would point out that Gandalf isn't (...) (25 years ago, 5-Dec-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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