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| | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) Maybe this will help: (URL) Oops! My mistake; that site is a thorough refutation of Young Earth mythology. Dave! (23 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —James Brown
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| | | | | | (...) Great site. (or is that cite?) Aside from the shredding of young earthliness, it's provided what may prove to be one of my favorite quotes: "Studying science doesn't make one a scientist any more than studying ethics makes one honest." James (23 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Ryan Farrington
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| | | | (...) agrees (...) Studies done by astronomer John Eddy and mathematician Aram Boornazian in the 1970's proved that the sun is shrinking. They reported that the sun is shrinking at a rate of ten miles (16 km) per year. (Eddy, J. A. and Boornazian, (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) Well, you've pointed out the two big "ifs" in that reasoning. There is no evidence that the shrinkage of the sun is linear, is one-directional, or is constant over time, so such reasoning isn't really useful for deducing the behavior of the (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Basic bad science. Unwarranted extrapolation of evidence over a very brief period. It's kind of like watching the tide going out, walking away, and declaring the seas will dry up in a year, without any understanding of the ocean's (or sun's) (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | (...) Bruce (or anyone else, really :-), I have a question related to this, it's something I've pondered on but no teacher I've had could answer to my satisfaction, and it's one that I am honestly curious about and will welcome any answer that I can (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) This is a rather large subject that I could only cover here in the briefest possible manner. In part, a number of techniques may be combined as double-checks: Known decay rates of radiactivity - Carbon-14 is the best known but there are a (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | (...) Oh, so it's just like computer programming! :-, (...) Got it, thanks for the example. (...) I've done this, at least with World Book (I read this thoroughly when I was youger :-) and Encarta (blech) and a couple of other brands. They just (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) I minored in Geology, so most of my knowledge on the subject came from hardcore geology texts. You might want to look in used book stores for the Time-Life series on Geology. Not up-to-date, I'd imagine, but they are far more involved than an (...) (23 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Ryan Farrington
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| | | | (...) brief (...) Notice, however, that in the title was "1863-1953." Measurements of the time it took the sun to travel past the prime meridian were recorded at the Greenwich Observatory since the early 1800's (1). Calculations were made to convert (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | (...) I did. That's a short time, astromically speaking. (...) And......? It's still basic bad science to draw the conclusions you are inmplying. (...) As I mentioned before, recorded Chinese geneaologies go back further than 6,000 years. That's why (...) (23 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Ryan Farrington
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| | | | | | Bruce Schlickbernd: (...) But that can be reconciled with 6,000 years. When one examines the early Chinese dynasties, one can find that precisely documented dynasties only go back as far as about 2000 B.C. The first true Chinese dynasty was started (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) This is an example of what I mentioned earlier about Creationists altering fact to fit their belief system (which should not be dignified with the term theory or hypothesis). (...) If by "Indians" you're referring to Native Americans, then (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | (...) Both Nova and National Geographic have recently done pieces on new findings that suggest a catastrophic flood of the Black Sea did indeed occur x thousands of years ago. I can't really remember the details, but I believe that the event is (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) I've seen bits about that on Good Morning America and now and then on CNN, but I'm not up on the latest info. What I recall is that the water flow into the Black Sea exceeded the rate over Niagara falls for a period (if I remember correctly) (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Jeremy H. Sproat
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| | | | | | | | | (...) There's also evidence that the filling of the Mediterranean was witnessed as well. An event that large most likely was felt in Sumer, probably by the entire Fertile Crescent. Cheers, - jsproat (23 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) D'oh! Even as I posted my earlier message I was thinking about this. There are, of course, numerous submerged archaeological sites in the shallows and not-so-shallows of the Mediterranean. I'll still stand by my assertion that the flooding of (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I doubt that the Sumerians felt the water rising, although such an event would have disrupted trade balances and relationships. There also would have been a dramatic exodus of refugees, many of them "spilling" into Sumeria. Since a fertile (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Ryan Farrington
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| | | | | | | | (...) Here's my literal-mined response: :-) I liked the way James put it: "This of course doesn't prove anything in itself, but it is interesting that the scientific community is beginning to lend credence to the possibility of a catastrophic flood (...) (23 years ago, 9-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) One might draw a distinction, however, between "had a marked impact on a focus point of developing civilization" and "killed everything but those few animals that one guy could stuff into an apparently Tardis-like ark." 8^) Dave! (23 years ago, 10-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Oh, come, come now. They didn't really mean that every SPECIES of animal went in the ark. Just every KIND. So there was plenty of room. And the kinds must have quick-evolved back into all the species... er, oops, I said a naughty word. There (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I see--two prokaryotes and two eukaryotes. *Now* I understand! What could I have been thinking?? (...) Ah, Zork! An all-time favorites! Dave! (23 years ago, 11-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Oh definitely (though I've never finished it, I've just always loved the idea from the very beginning when Infocom brought computers to Boskone to show off their nifty new game). These days Zork fits on your Palm Pilot. Several folks have (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Geoffrey Hyde
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Is that kind of like the saying, "What goes around, comes around?" :-) -- Cheers ... Geoffrey Hyde "Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:3AD3DF69.4444C9...ing.com... (...) animal (...) could I (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You know, I never actually played Zork. My pastiche paid homage to Zork's predecessor, ADVENT, which I *have* played on such machines as the UNIVAC 1100/80, the IBM 4341, and the Commodore PET. (URL) don't think the above link is to the (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) It's kind of neat the caver connection to Advent. Crowther's wife was one of the people who participated in the exploration which connected Mammoth and Flint Ridge caves (and is what really won the cold war - at the time of the connection, (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I am having a little trouble with this concept... I keep visualising a 3277 display on a little caver skidplate and a REALLY long powercord and coax running back to some mainframe somewhere. Which is a silly image Other than that, with '70's (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) No, not terribly. I think of it as an early experiment in virtual reality. (23 years ago, 11-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Now that you mention it, I remember reading about that years and years ago, but I'd never seen anything from ADVENT first hand. Very cool stuff, though! Dave! (23 years ago, 11-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Actually it was originally called "Colossal cave" (by Willie Crowther). I only ever played it on a PDP 11/70 until I decided to learn Perl a couple of years ago - someday I'll get around to putting my Perl port of the original (350 pts) game (...) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) pts) (...) OK. No time like the present. You can find it at (URL) need advent.pl & advent.dat, which is the original data file unchanged. A couple of differences you should know about: 1. I implemented mixed case from the original upper case (...) (23 years ago, 12-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Zork from Outer Space —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | (...) ? Verbose Maximum verbosity. ? Babel Fish. (computer meltdown ensues....) (23 years ago, 11-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) Dang, I answered this one in your email. Everyone will have to be mystified as to my response. :-( Oh, I'll cover the very last point again because it's quick: the Sumerians, Egyptian, and Indians all developed their cultures along a major (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Geology from Outer Space —Dave Low
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| | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ryan Farrington writes: <much snippage> (...) I'm not going to take on the geological arguments, but I'll have a go at the biology if you like. I'm delighted to see references to scientific journals, which is as far as I (...) (23 years ago, 6-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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