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| | | (...) Far more important than your perception of his credentials is his facts. Are they correct? Get past the rhetoric and personal attack - his methods are probably as distatesful as others on the other side - but that's not the point. Are the (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) If you had read Tim's post, rather than leaping to disagree with mine, you'd have noticed that Tim asked me to consult the page in question before questioning Dr. Dino's credibility. I examined the page, as Tim asked, and, having found found (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Credibility... (Was: Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")) —David Eaton
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| | | | | | (...) And just because I found myself thinking about it, I earned over 190 hours credit in philosophy when in school... Wonder if I could get retroactive credit for all these Lugnet debates? Easily a term's worth of papers-- backed with the (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Credibility... (Was: Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")) —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | | (...) Self-aggrandizement. (...) Not that I know the answer for this guy, but different colleges award credit hours differently. I've attended 4 colleges and they all used different measures of "credit hours". -Jon (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Credibility... (Was: Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")) —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | (...) So if DAVE says it, it's Self-aggrandizement, but if a Creationist says it about their credit hours in science, it's not, it's proof they know what they are talking about? Elaborate, please. -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Credibility... (Was: Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")) —David Eaton
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| | | | | | (...) Not really... I was thinking about applying the same logic in reverse-- I.E. that if I studied philosophy whether I'd somehow earn your respect in my arguments. But you'll notice I didn't do that. I just thought about it for a minute. But if (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Credibility... (Was: Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) Well, "credit hours" made a certain amount of sense at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute where I attended. A 3 credit hour class (which was an "average" class) had 3 hours of lecture per week (courses with labs didn't reflect the lab time in (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Credibility... (Was: Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")) —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | (...) I guess I'm just stuck saying 'ick'... My instincts just tell me to measure courses by evaluated content, not time... But I spose if you wanted to measure it that way, I guess I can't say there isn't a logical reason behind it. Oh well... Oh, (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Credibility... (Was: Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")) —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | (...) You went to RPI? When? -Erik ECSE '94 (24 years ago, 27-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Credibility... (Was: Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!")) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) BS ECSE '85, Meng ECSE '89. Looks like we just missed... FUT: lugnet.people Frank (24 years ago, 27-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Creditability... —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | (...) By an even narrower margin -- I was class of '93 until I went on co-op. Have you visited there recently? I've got some photos of the new Approach here. (24 years ago, 27-Jan-01, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Creditability... —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) Ahh, then we could have seen each other in passing. I was occaisionally on campus in fall of '99 (like I went to interviews, also did a few outings with the outings club). (...) here. Haven't visited since summer of '91, and even that wasn't (...) (24 years ago, 27-Jan-01, to lugnet.people)
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| | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Jennifer Clark
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| | | | (...) The only thing that is credible, other than perhaps my conclusion that you have got to be winding me up about all this, is that "Dr Dino" has been kissing the blarney stone in a big way. For example, on the "win a great deal of cash" section, (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | Jennifer Clark writes (with snips of some excellent points): (...) A great point--I wish I'd made it. One might as readily include the Evolution of Dave Schuler! from infant to (supposed) adult as a forbidden topic. (Or, more seriously, the (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Tim Culberson
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| | | | | (...) What???...??? Your big bang theory must not be the same as any other big bang theory. AS far as I know the big bang theory teaches EXACTLY that time, space, and matter where brought into existence from nothing. (...) Ahem....that's why the (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Jennifer Clark
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| | | | | | Ok Tim, you are surely trolling me here, but I'll reply anyway, magnanimous individual that I am ;-) (...) It is correct to say that Big Bang theories do tend to mention that time, space and matter come from nothing (or more strictly speaking from a (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Tim Culberson
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| | | | | | (...) Please forgive me if this is how you took my writings. I assure you that I intended no trolling at any point (I'll try to use less punctuation :) (...) So that I am clear on exactly what you are saying, could you please define for me (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Guy Albertelli
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| | | | | | | (...) Schoolbooks due suffer from a variety of errors. This however is not because Darwinian Evolution is wrong, but rather because the people writing the books are more interested in selling them then getting their facts right. (...) For the same (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Tim Culberson
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| | | | | | | | (...) So how can one say that issuing a misleading textbook without pointing out the BLATANT errors isn't misleading the student? (...) There are a heck of a lot less evidences to discredit the above theories compared to Evolution. (here's 20 to (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Its Own Worst Enemy (was Re: Support for Creationism ) —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) snipped from (URL) Questions for Evolutionists for the purposes of review and discussion. No challenge to the copyright status of this work is implied or should be inferred. (...) It does not evolve into a butterfly; the organism has the same (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sounds like the Bible to me. Pot - kettle - black. (...) In the US? Damned straight I would - Separation of Church and State, remember? Now, if it were a PRIVATE school, more power to you. But if a public school that gets MY tax money, that (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Jennifer Clark
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| | | | | | (...) I've detailed this in previous posts, including the following one where I made a distinction between evolution as a process and the theory of evolution: (URL) that we are discussing material presented in schools, and so I will reiterate here (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Tim Culberson
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| | | | | | (...) Hmmm....I wish I had seen this earlier. Did you happen to follow the link to "Answers to commonly asked questions about the $250, 000 Offer" ((URL) addresses every point that you mentioned in your previous post so rather than me try and defend (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Jennifer Clark
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, he doesn't address the points I make - all he produces is more sophistry and verbal obfuscation, the main thrust of that being that anything with the word "evolution" in it is akin to Darwin's Theory of Evolution. I have provided a (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Jon Kozan
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| | | | | (...) have (...) level is the Big Bang theory, which has nothing to do with Darwin's theory of (...) In your experience, perhaps, but then we're all limited by our own personal experiences. Evolution and the theory of origins, and the Big Bang are (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —James Brown
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, I don't have kids of a relevant age, but I can certainly state definitively that they were clearly seperate and not intertwined when I learned about them in school - In fact, when I took that kind of stuff, the Big Bang Theory was only (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Jennifer Clark
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| | | | | | (...) This is not so. As pointed out in a very recent post, any cause and effect (and there may be none, some, or a lot) is unidirectional. Perhaps some explanation? First of all, let's get the temporal sequence correct, where "->" means "happened (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Jon Kozan
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| | | | (...) Gee I can say wrong too! :-) "Abiogenesis" is not taught in schools as "abiogenesis" - it's called 'evolution' too. And my other comment still applies - they're all intertwined - one cannot exist without the other. If one claims that simple (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Jennifer Clark
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| | | | (...) Well, we did indeed go to different schools, so at least in this case we can both be right :-) (...) What can I say? In my experience this has not been the case, and I have yet to hear any sufficient explanation of why all these things are (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Ah, but it does. You're a Bricksmith, and Technic fans everywhere are saving their pennies and salivating in anticipation of the release of your first kit. And if *that* isn't an significant effect on the universe, maybe we're not in the same (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Support for Creationism (was Re: Macro-Evolution - "Impossible!") —Jennifer Clark
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| | | | (...) :-) I think we are - however, having read many ancient myths, I am ever cautious of hubris ;-) Jennifer Clark (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Hubris —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) I'm extremely proud of my hubris. Dave! (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Hubris —Jennifer Clark
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| | | | (...) It'll be your undoing, mark my words ;-) Or something along those lines. Speaking of Greek Tragedy, I could be doing with some serious Deus Ex Machina for my latest creation. Jennifer Clark (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | Re: Hubris —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) Hmm.. My hubris, or my pride in my hubris? 8^) (...) Ugh! I feel your pain. Many's the supernaturally cool design I could have built if only some higher being had come down and told me how to get it to work. Dave! (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | Re: Hubris —Jennifer Clark
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| | | | (...) It would appear that my pleas have been answered, as a large bout of inspiration lead to an "until 5 in the morning" highly productive building session. Now the only qustion is - who is responsible for the abiogenisis of this model? And will (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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