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| | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) Easy there, big fella. My point wasn't intended to be as sharp as you're inferring. 8^) And in any case you gain great credibility by going against Perot's model--perhaps Nader has something to learn from you in that regard. What I meant was (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Fair enough. (and it's not only in congress that they are entrenched) There are two opposing forces here that shape the LP platform... One force being that there is a need to avoid Libertarian Macho Flash, which causes people who haven't (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) That makes sense; you're taking the long view rather than a get-it-done-now approach, and I think such a plan of attack is therefore more reasonable and likely to succeed. At the same time, you're calling for immediate addressing of the most (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm not convinced that's as big a problem as you might think. Think about it, every consumer protection regulation we have is there because enough people complained that the government addressed the issue. In a Libertopia, with it's free (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) If this came from anyone else, I'd say it stank of arrogance. (...) ROTFL. If only you knew me Larry. (...) It is my job as a parent to protect my family from drugs. Having the police help me is a good thing, in my own opinion. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 12-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | All of the following is written from the assumption that "drugs are Bad, and if you take drugs, you've done a Bad Thing." Debating that assumption should be an entirely different thread. Preferably, one that is threaded over a few beers. Steve (...) (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I agree. (...) One should respect the law, rather than avoid breaking it. I suppose it is a subtle difference. I choose not to take drugs not only because it is against the law, but because I don't think it is not a good thing to do anyway. (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) My responsibility to my kids is to educate them about the drugs, and to educate them about how to avoid law enforcement if they choose to use those drugs. I choose not to take drugs because they make you stuipd. It has absolutely nothing to do (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | Steve Bliss wrote: <snip> (...) Well, I don't know. If you get your kids to adulthood without the chance of having used drugs, then I'd say that's not a complete failure. If, as a responsible adult, one chooses to use drugs, who then is to blame? (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) No one. If they are responsible adults, there is no blame to assign. They are using whatever drugs as they wish. Chris (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) I was hoping for the "no one to blame but themselves" response. "no one" makes it sound like it isn't the individual's responsibility. -John (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | | | | "John Neal" <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message news:3A109829.C775CF...est.net... (...) They are (...) makes it (...) The problem, John, is assigning blame. Do you blame yourself for eating dinner? Do you blame yourself (or your parents) for the (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I think we're talking semantics here. If I blame myself for having eaten dinner, it means I am taking responsibility for the choice to have eaten. "You have no one to blame but yourself" is an expression meaning "You are responsible" -John (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Kevin Bannister
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) i think it's the negative connotation 'blame' carries with it. (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) ... and what if one does not have the ability to make that choice? What then John? Just leave them to rot? (...) I have choice. I choose to not want guns in my society for example. Every single day of the my life I could choose to be a (...) (24 years ago, 16-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) are (...) makes it (...) From this note and the couple of replies, it sounds like you think that "blame" is somehow synonymous with "responsibility." It isn't. Blame include fault. Fault for doing something wrong. You claim that JohnD's note (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Well lessee. From Dictionary.com: blame v. tr. blamed, blam·ing, blames. 1.To hold responsible. 2.To find fault with; censure. 3.To place responsibility for (something): blamed the crisis on poor planning. n. 1.The state of being responsible (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Just for clarification, dictionary.com lists: blame (blam) v. tr. blamed, blam·ing, blames. 1. To hold responsible. 2. To find fault with; censure. 3. To place responsibility for (something): blamed the crisis on poor planning. (URL) So, while (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) D'oh! John beat me to it! Dave! (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) lol Great minds think alike, eh Dave!?;-) John! (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Can you (or John, or anyone) supply a sentence demonstrating how 'blame' can be used without indicating that something bad has taken place? I'm quick to use the dictionary too, but I don't think that it is perfectly reflective of our use of (...) (24 years ago, 15-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) "The heavy rains and cool weather were blamed for the high mosquito population." Now, while some humans might consider that a bad thing, I'm sure the swallows, bats, (farmers?), dragon flies, etc, might say otherwise. (...) Looks to me like (...) (24 years ago, 15-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | | | | | If you look at www.m-w.com for the verb form of "blame", you will find a dictionary that is not screwed up. "John Neal" <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message news:3A11ED4A.689B2C...est.net... (...) designation of (...) can be (...) population." (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) By which I you mean, I imagine, a dictionary that agrees with your definition. Fair enough, but I think you haven't found such a dictionary yet. Even that "not screwed up" dictionary identifies the verb form of "to blame" as: 2 a : to hold (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | | | | | FUT lugnet.off-topic.use...-annoyance "Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:G4osvM.Br7@lugnet.com... (...) yet. (...) blame" as: (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Are we to understand, then, that a posting in disagreement with your view is nothing but an annoyance? If so, then please come out and state it clearly. If not, please explain what you mean, and while you're at it let us know why you're (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | (...) *A-hem* Please go reread my posting. Especially the first couple lines, before the quoted material. I was *assuming*, not *implying*. Steve (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | (...) Ah, but who should decide what "drugs" are? I don't think the government should, they've always made a mess of it - deciding what is Prescription only, Scheduled drugs, over-the-counter drugs, "not really drugs" drugs (for example, nicotine in (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) That works if the "drug" user is able to make that determination and if he doesn't subsequently cause harm to others as a result of that drug use, and in any case financial/criminal penalties may simply be too after-the-fact to be of use (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Love is a drug and I need a fix! - Roxy Music (...) Clearly you're not thoroughly Sluggish, or else you'd know that sugar is indeed a drug when ingested by ferrets. :-) ++Lar (who didn't go door busting this year and sort of doesn't miss it!) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) And what before the fact control keeps your current doctor from taking an unwise hit of LSD in the current system? Ok, LSD isn't easy to get, but I bet your doctor could get it easier than the average person. There certainly isn't anything (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) I understand what you're saying, and as far as deterrent criteria, I agree with the ones you've cited (and which I've snipped). In the current system, an illegal drug carries with it the direct penalty of its use, in addition to whatever (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | (...) If a person is so adicted as to essentially be incompetant, then there clearly is a problem, however, I don't think Libertopia removes the options of prison or involuntary commitment to a treatment center, but the commitment needs to be based (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | "Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:G4p58v.5n8@lugnet.com... (...) Obviously. (...) issue. With or without rehab, recidivism is extremely high, check the numbers. Primarily, because there are laws against the use of drugs, and (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: From Harry Browne —John DiRienzo
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| | | | Plus as what I have heard from Harry Browne concerning this. It is possible for the president to make presidential orders invloving military, criminals, how the White House and various agencies are run. He could and would free (pardon) all (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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