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Re: From Harry Browne
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Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:41:19 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> > That works if the "drug" user is able to make that determination and if he
> > doesn't subsequently cause harm to others as a result of that drug use, and
> > in any case financial/criminal penalties may simply be too after-the-fact to
> > be of use unless some measure stands in place to prevent such
> > self-adjudication. Would you, for example, be comfortable undergoing surgery
> > if, after you were put under, the MD decided he could "handle" a few hits of
> > LSD before cutting you open? In addition, an addict has lost the ability to
> > decide how much he can "handle," so his judgment is inherently faulty.
> The most important factors in assuring that the doctor today won't take
> an unwise hit of LSD are the same factors which libertarianism will use:
I understand what you're saying, and as far as deterrent criteria, I agree
with the ones you've cited (and which I've snipped). In the current system,
an illegal drug carries with it the direct penalty of its use, in addition
to whatever external consequences might ensue. The particulars of the penal
system's handling of this issue will never be resolved in OT.Debate, but the
point is that the threat of prosecution allows compensation and punishment
apparently in excess of the repercussions you've cited.
I think part of the problem is that, again, the addict (and for this, LSD
is a bad example; let's say heroin instead) loses the ability to judge his
capacity to handle the drug. At that point, even in Libertopia, it seems he
is no longer a rational, able individual making informed and fully-disclosed
choices. He is obeying his addiction.
I admit that what follows is far from rock solid: currently, as well as
in Libertopia (correct me if I'm wrong) an addict faces the potential loss
of employment, property, and family through repercussions of behaviors
brought on by feeding the addiction. In addition, however, today's system
allows incarceration based on use of the drug, and it could be argued (not
entirely convincingly, I agree) that prison in that case helps him, since
he's unable to supply his addiction. Of course, without actual rehab, the
likelihood of subsequent relapse is considerable, but that's another issue.
Again, I recognize that this last part isn't ironclad. It seems to me,
though, that even in an environment in which drugs are legal, an addict will
go to whatever lengths are necessary to acquire it. An impoverished heroin
addict will still steal to fund his habit, even if heroin is dispensed at a
supermarket. With that in mind, I don't see that legalization of drugs
would in any way eliminate the corrolary crime associated with them, even if
possession itself is no longer a crime.
Dave!
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| (...) If a person is so adicted as to essentially be incompetant, then there clearly is a problem, however, I don't think Libertopia removes the options of prison or involuntary commitment to a treatment center, but the commitment needs to be based (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| "Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:G4p58v.5n8@lugnet.com... (...) Obviously. (...) issue. With or without rehab, recidivism is extremely high, check the numbers. Primarily, because there are laws against the use of drugs, and (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) And what before the fact control keeps your current doctor from taking an unwise hit of LSD in the current system? Ok, LSD isn't easy to get, but I bet your doctor could get it easier than the average person. There certainly isn't anything (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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