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Re: ("life affirming" == "no initiation of force") == "all rigihts are property rights"?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:39:12 GMT
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mattdm@mattdm.^IHateSpam^org
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote:
> That's fine, but I am going to try to show that life-affirming REQUIRES
> property rights because of the nature of man. That is, to not recognise
> them is to be anti life affirming, or in other words if you want to be
> human, you have to recognise them.
Can you at least quick state your answers to the first two questions I
asked, so the problem is clear? (If you don't want to argue from a natural
rights basis, I need to ask some different questions.)
> However I don't know WHEN I am going to try to do that. Are you coming
> to the confabulation in Waltham Monday? My schedule cleared I should be
> able to be there.
I will be there. But, I'd rather reserve that for Lego and .off-topic.fun.
First, I doubt everyone there will be interested. And second, I'm more
comfortable arguing [1] here. We can spend some time thinking before each
post so we can express what we want to say more clearly. And we're able to
refer definitively to what was said earlier.
[1] in the positive sense of the word
> what does it mean to manipulate matter?
> what does it mean to create something?
> if an animal is amoral, can it have property?
> if things are required for survival, how does one obtain them by reason,
> as reason is the tool we have?
Ok, you're basically going at this from Locke's mixing-of-labor theory, yes?
I don't actually have a strong belief in natural rights. And I'd rather hold
off on discussing the other ways people might have rights until we arrive at
that point. I will post something in reply to my questions on property after
lunch, though.
--
Matthew Miller ---> mattdm@mattdm.org
Quotes 'R' Us ---> http://quotes-r-us.org/
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