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Re: ("life affirming" == "no initiation of force") == "all rigihts are property rights"?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:25:02 GMT
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lpieniazek@novera.comAVOIDSPAM
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OK, we need to back up.
Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote:
> > Reminder, under the premise we agreed upon, if it requires force
> > initiation, it's not a right. This will be used to eliminate some things
> > tentatively labeled rights, below.
>
> No no. I didn't agree to that at all. Your question was "What sorts of
> rights are not property rights but do not require force initiation?"
> Eliminating answers simply because they fail the force-initiation test is
> begging the question.
Can you restate this? Are you stating that there are rights, or that
there should be rights, that are not life affirming, that is, that are
actually "wrong" using the "morally good" = "valid" = "life affirming"
test?
Or are you stating something else?
I want to get this clear or we may end up chasing tails. A fine
entertainment if you happen to be at Jillian's (1), but fruitless in a
newsgroup, at least this one.
Note that I stipulate that there may be a number of things that could be
asserted to be "rights". but if we want a morally good society, they
can't be "rights" unless they are life affirming and don't conflict with
other rights in ways that are unresolvable. (2)
So I feel fine about applying the "can't initiate force" test as a way
to eliminate something as a right.
This may be a long process.
1 - not that I ever *catch* any, mind you. I'm married. The fun's in the
hunt.
2 - While may be a sticking point between me and Jasper, I assert that
"fist swinging, short of noses" and "can't hit my nose" are resolveable
rights. Rights can be limited, and it is defining the area where they
limit each other and resolving it that is the crux of Libertarian rights
calculus/problem resolution.
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