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Re: ("life affirming" == "no initiation of force") == "all rigihts are property rights"?
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Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:07:23 GMT
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 05:02:31 GMT, Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net>
wrote:
> Given what I take meaning of contract to be (freely entered into by both
> parties, no coercion on either side) I'm willing to stipulate that one
> does in fact make that agreement, as long as one lives in a
> society/environment in which one can choose not to make any contract
> with any commmunity. Merely declining to live in one community and then
> being forced to pick some other existing one rather than none doesn't
> count as free choice about contracting.
>
> That's the argument I used before, that given that we're currently stuck
> on this planet, the social contracts offered are not coercion free and
We're not stuck on this planet. You can, with current technology, go
to the moon/Mars and live there. It would merely cost immense amounts
of money, but that's irrelevant.
> therefore are not contracts. I cannot even go out to currently unclaimed
> territory and start a new country, someone will come along and claim
> that they have soverignity. (cf. the proposal to take an oil platform
> out into international waters and start a new country. Nutty people
> floating the idea (1) but interesting idea nonetheless)
Given that the notion of 'country' historically really rests on "being
able to adequately protect its citizens from invasion by other
countries", if you get sovereignty claimed and enforced, you're not
doing a good job at being a country.
Jasper
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