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Re: ("life affirming" == "no initiation of force") == "all rigihts are property rights"?
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Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:31:17 GMT
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mattdm@mattdm.(NoSpam)org
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Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote:
> Can you restate this? Are you stating that there are rights, or that
> there should be rights, that are not life affirming, that is, that are
> actually "wrong" using the "morally good" = "valid" = "life affirming"
> test?
First, I want to make a distinction between "not life-affirming" and
"anti life-affirming." It's possible for something to not necessarily go out
of it's way to affirm life, yet not deny it either.
Anyway:
There may be potential rights that are not life-affirming. These
aren't necessarily good rights. There may even be potential rights which are
anti life-affirming.
These are also not necessarily good rights. For one sense of the word
"rights", only good rights are not anti life-affirming. I don't have a
problem using the word in that sense.
> Or are you stating something else?
Yes, there's something else too. If you don't presuppose a property right,
none of the rights I stated are anti life-affirming by the force-initiation
test. (And probably by most other tests. Some or perhaps even all of them
probably fail the "increasing overall entropy" test.)
Remember that I haven't granted that there is even such a thing as a
property right yet. That's one of the things I'm asking you to prove. So
it's not a fair application of the force-initiation test if you're already
assuming your point proven.
(See the second part of #3 at
http://www.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=3292)
> This may be a long process.
It's worth it if we reach the end. :)
--
Matthew Miller ---> mattdm@mattdm.org
Quotes 'R' Us ---> http://quotes-r-us.org/
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