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Re: Poll: Majority Palestinians See Israel's Elimination as Goal
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Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:59:16 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> All the statistics said was that: "51.1 percent said that the aim of the
> Intifadah is to liberate all Palestinian land (historic Palestine) as
> opposed to 42.8 percent who said the Intifadah's aim is to end the Israeli
> occupation."
What do you mean by "all the statistics said was that.."? The conclusion is
that over half of the Palestinians want Israel GONE. That seems pretty
significant to me.
>
> However, only 32.5% think the Intifada can end the occupation alone.
> Do you not support the ordinary Palestinians?
Define "ordinary Palestinians"
> > Peace, it seems, is the
> > last thing on these people's minds.
>
> That is perhaps how you would wish it. But think back to just after Oslo and
> Oslo 2, was there not a real sense of hope after that? But what wrecked
> that? Was it the Palestinians or right-wing Israelis?
I'm not going to deny that there are Israelis whose solution to the violence is
to get rid of the Palestinians. But I am much more confident that Israel can
control her right wing a lot better than the Palestinians are willing to
control their extremists-- their chosen leader *is* one.
>
> The truth is that Israel is only interesting in peace on its terms.
But that's not the WHOLE truth, because the same applies to Arafat.
When
> Shamir ended his term as PM this is what he had to say:
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> "It pains me greatly that in the coming four years I will not be able to
> expand the settlements in Judea and Samaria [West Bank] and to complete the
> demographic revolution in the Land of Israel. I know that others will now
> try to work against this. Without this demographic revolution, there is no
> value to the talk about autonomy, because there is a danger that it will be
> turned into a Palestinian state. What is this talk about 'political
> settlements'? I would have carried on autonomy talks for ten years, and
> meanwhile we would have reached half a million people in Judea and Samaria."
>
> In the UK we call that gerrymandering, not peace making.
And look what happened. He's GONE. That the beauty of a Democracy. So why
are we talking about him?
> Your blinkered approach to this issue
Blinkered approach? What about you? Why are you quoting a PM who has been
gone for 10 years? Sharon (the *current* PM) has admitted that a Palestinian
state is inevitable.
is what prevents you from
> understanding the desperation of the Palestinians,
No, what truly prevents me from understanding their desperation is their
willingness to train their children to target and murder innocent women and
children.
I don't understand that, nor will I ever. I don't care *how* desperate one is.
and blindly supporting Mr
> Sharon. In your last message you claimed that the whole issue can be blamed
> on Islamimc extreamism. Closer inspection of the groups conducting suicide
> attacks shows that of the 4 groups involved, 2 are actually secular in
> nature. Your contribution to this debate so far has been "convenient" web
> links
Scott, would you be so kind as to define a "convenient web link"?
and your own very partial, and largly unsubstantiated, opinion.
>
> It is time you saw the light.
:-)
You, my friend, are the one with his head in the sand. I think you
underestimate anti-semitism in the Arab world-- even in Europe.
And even when Palestine is finally founded, the hatred towards Israel will
continue.
-John
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