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Re: Poll: Majority Palestinians See Israel's Elimination as Goal
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Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:42:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > All the statistics said was that: "51.1 percent said that the aim of the
> > > Intifadah is to liberate all Palestinian land (historic Palestine) as
> > > opposed to 42.8 percent who said the Intifadah's aim is to end the Israeli
> > > occupation."
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> > What do you mean by "all the statistics said was that.."? The conclusion is
> > that over half of the Palestinians want Israel GONE. That seems pretty
> > significant to me.
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> Not quite, 51.5% think the aim is to liberate all (historic) Palestinian. I
> expect what you believe may well be true, but that stat does not show that.
There is no (historic) Palestine. There is no such thing as Palestinians. The
whole concept was made up during the last 50 years so 'we' could stop calling
them Arab refugees.
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> > > However, only 32.5% think the Intifada can end the occupation alone.
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> > > Do you not support the ordinary Palestinians?
> >
> > Define "ordinary Palestinians"
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> Mr/Ms Average
Wouldn't it be cool if your "ordinary Palestinians" actually had the same
rights and abilities as people living in democracies. Most of the
pro-palastinian arguments might actually make sense if Palastinians were not
oppressed by the dictators that rule them. (Oh wait, I forgot everyone seems to
belive the lies that those dictators tell their people and broadcast on their
state controlled news agencies; "It's all the 'evil' Israelis fault")
I have said it before, I will say it again Israel is far from perfect and does
a lot of really stupid things. However even the worst democracy has a better
human rights record than the best dictatorship. In the case of the democracy
everyone can critizse bad actions and vote accordingly. In the case of
dictatorships one says nothing out of fear for ones life. (As evidenced by the
number of pro-peace palestinians killed by their own leaders.)
-Mike Petrucelli
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| (...) Perhaps we should call them “'Arab' refugees from the area formally known as Palestine but now known as Israel and the occupied territories”? Or ARFTAFKAPBNKAIATOT for short? ;) Scott A denial: (psychology) an ego defense mechanism that (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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