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Re: Poll: Majority Palestinians See Israel's Elimination as Goal
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:22:58 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> > > > There is no (historic) Palestine. There is no such thing as Palestinians. • The
> > > > whole concept was made up during the last 50 years so 'we' could stop • calling
> > > > them Arab refugees.
> >
> > > However, you are quite wrong. The Balfour declaration (1917) quite clearly
> > > referred to the area as “Palestine”. I have no idea when it was first called
> > > that, but it is certainly not a post 48’ construct.
> >
> > Is the claim that "Palestine" was made up in '48? I thought that 2500 years
> > ago Heroditus called the land that had been occupied by the Philistines by the
> > name of Palestine. Though I know there are references suggesting that the • name
> > of that land is older. It hardly seems like a modern creation.
> >
> > All that said, the 3000 years of history in that area certainly clouds the
> > genetic waters. Modern natives of that area are a mix of what used to be many
> > ethnic groups including Jews, Philistines and many others. I expect that
> > there's more ethnic similarity between modern Palestinians and Jews than there
> > is between either group and their named ancestral progenitors.
> >
> > Chris
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> Ok let me clarify. No one that was living on the land ever called it Palestine
> or called themselves Palestinians. The current group of 'Arab refugees' have
> adopted the name I assume to reinforce their 'ancestoral' ties to the land.
> Which is odd given that in 1948 most of them had not even been there for more
> than 2 or 3 years. (That is why the U.N. redefined the term 'refugee' to
> represent anyone who had been living on 'land X' for 2 or more years.)
This is interesting. Let's just assume you are correct for a moment. Two
sceneries to consider:
1948
A "Palestinian" family has been living on a plot of land for 3 years. The
Israel army happens along and bulldozes the family’s house in their usual
manner. Have the family not the right to compensation at the very least?
2002
A "Palestinian" family has been living on a plot of land for 57 years. The
Israel army happens along and bulldozes their house in their usual manner to
build a "settlement" to house economic refugees from Eastern Europe. Have
the family not the right to compensation at the very least?
I read a report the other day that claimed that ~50% of suicide bombers are
from families who were made refugees in '48. ~25% suicide bombers' families
blamed their actions on a specific event perpetrated by the IDF - usually
the killing of a child. I hate the suicide bombings, but I can't help
wondering if Israel is partly to blame for them.
Scott A
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> -Mike Petrucelli
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