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Re: Poll: Majority Palestinians See Israel's Elimination as Goal
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Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:54:18 GMT
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All the statistics said was that: "51.1 percent said that the aim of the
Intifadah is to liberate all Palestinian land (historic Palestine) as
opposed to 42.8 percent who said the Intifadah's aim is to end the Israeli
occupation."
However, only 32.5% think the Intifada can end the occupation alone.
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> At the very least, there should be *civil* war in the West Bank. It makes me
> laugh to hear those such as Mubarak calling for a Palestinian State *now*, as
> if that reality alone will change *any* future attitudes or behaviors of the
> Palestinians towards Israel.
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> It seems to me that everyone who supports the Palestinians and peace in the
> middle east suffers from a classic case of projection.
Do you not support the ordinary Palestinians? What right does Israel have to
steal their land and humiliate them?
> Peace, it seems, is the
> last thing on these people's minds.
That is perhaps how you would wish it. But think back to just after Oslo and
Oslo 2, was there not a real sense of hope after that? But what wrecked
that? Was it the Palestinians or right-wing Israelis?
The truth is that Israel is only interesting in peace on its terms. When
Shamir ended his term as PM this is what he had to say:
"It pains me greatly that in the coming four years I will not be able to
expand the settlements in Judea and Samaria [West Bank] and to complete the
demographic revolution in the Land of Israel. I know that others will now
try to work against this. Without this demographic revolution, there is no
value to the talk about autonomy, because there is a danger that it will be
turned into a Palestinian state. What is this talk about 'political
settlements'? I would have carried on autonomy talks for ten years, and
meanwhile we would have reached half a million people in Judea and Samaria."
In the UK we call that gerrymandering, not peace making.
But the truth is that for a long time (still?) the bulk of Israelis actually
wanted an end to the settlements. This is what Shamir had to say about that:
"I didn't believe there was a majority in favour of a Greater Land of
Israel. But it can be attained over time. This must be the historic
direction. If we drop this basis, there would be nothing to prevent the
development of a Palestinian state."
Was Shamir a “man of peace” just like Sharon?
Your blinkered approach to this issue is what prevents you from
understanding the desperation of the Palestinians, and blindly supporting Mr
Sharon. In your last message you claimed that the whole issue can be blamed
on Islamimc extreamism. Closer inspection of the groups conducting suicide
attacks shows that of the 4 groups involved, 2 are actually secular in
nature. Your contribution to this debate so far has been "convenient" web
links and your own very partial, and largly unsubstantiated, opinion.
It is time you saw the light.
Scott A
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> http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=worldnews&StoryID=1075212
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> -John
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