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| | | (...) As I have said before, serious academic studies have shown that the Western Media has a pro-Israel bias. The reason the rumours of a "massacre" lived so long was because the Israel did not allow the press into the area (indeed they would (...) (23 years ago, 24-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) "Serious"??? As opposed to what other kind?:-) Well anyway, from the left, the center does appear to be the right;-) The reason the rumours of a "massacre" lived so (...) No, the rumors persisted because the media was so jaded by their bias (...) (23 years ago, 25-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | (...) This is more of an unobtainable goal than an actual job description. Balanced reporting is a moving target and the best a reader can hope for is to understand the bias of the author of any given text -- then the reader is well positioned to (...) (23 years ago, 25-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) I agree. What irks me is the unwillingness of the media to acknowledge their own leftist leanings in their reporting, and their willingness to go way beyond the scope of their job description. (...) Possibly. But again, the arrogance, the (...) (23 years ago, 25-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) Just like the center appears to be the left when viewed from the right. Right? Non serious studies are those that set out to support a point as part of a funded agenda rather than to seek the truth. I would suggest tobacco health studies done (...) (23 years ago, 25-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Correct:-) You know Chris, they don't call the right "right" for nothing;-) (...) Which leads to the question, why do "studies" at all? Seems to me that their purpose is to influence popular opinion by their results and advance agendas, (...) (23 years ago, 25-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I thought they called themselves "the right" because, for all their faults, they retain a healthy sense of irony. 8^) Dave! (23 years ago, 25-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | (...) is (...) I hope that the majority of scientists are out trying to prove the null hypothesis! The whole goal of the scientist is to devise every possible way of disproving their idea and carrying out those tests. Only when they are unable...and (...) (23 years ago, 25-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) So I take it that if the ATF dropped by your place this afternoon and relocated your family to, I don't know, a desert in New Mexico, you'd just buck up and make the best of it? If not, then please explain the difference for me. Dave! (23 years ago, 26-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) One difference is that you haven't been warring with the same faction for the last 2000+ years. If, out of the blue, someone were to come knocking at your door and relocate your family, an injustice has just occured against you. If, on the (...) (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well I like(1) the solution offered in _The Fresco_ (by Sheri S. Tepper, an SF author who really has grown on me lately, she's worth some careful reading) In that novel the aliens, after observing the situation, ejected everyone from old (...) (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'm definitely on the same page with that--take the land away from both parties. Like a parent taking a toy away from two fighting kids until they both act more mature. As for the pregnant men--ouch!--Arnold in 'Junior' Dave (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) This is the part that messes me up, though; aren't there quite a few people now living in that region who were personally subject to relocation? If so, then they would seem to have a legitimate grievance. (...) Well, sure--I agree that (...) (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) only relocation by their own choice - AFAIK, Israel never forced anyone to leave their houses in '48 (or '67), the people who left did so from their own free will. Fearing Israel will do to them what the Arab countries would have done to the (...) (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) You're wrong. Read around the subject a little more. As the Israeli forces advanced they destroyed whole villages in their path. Israel was able to clear 80% of Palestinians from the area (~700,000 individuals). (...) Well, I think they wanted (...) (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) <blink blink> Really? The Scots and the English have been assuming ownership of each others abandoned property for centuries, I thought. They've even occaisionally arranged for a little spontanious abandonment. James (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Indeed, Scotland has "refugees" in much of commonwealth (e.g. Canada and NZ). But that's all in the past; we are one big happy nation now. I'm even looking forward to viewing England's progress in the World Cup. I have enjoyed their last two (...) (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) If a family has lived on the same plot of land for generations, why should they be removed (relocated) without compensation to provide a home for an economic migrant from the former USSR who has chosen relocation to improve his own personal (...) (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) without (...) relocated (...) Before I get down the answer proper, is it safe to take your note as an assertion opposite mine -- that sentimental attachment to a particular area highly productive? Now, as you well know, I would not take well (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well the West Bank is the world's worst place to be a journalist: (URL) A (23 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'd prefer that Israel just issue the caveat that when they feel the need to shoot in a particular direction, they aren't going to hold their fire merely because members of the press are in the way. Then, the press members can make their own (...) (23 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Gun control (was: Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press) —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) My guess would be that the possession of weapons by Palestinians in the occupied territories, is regulated by the Oslo accord. This agreement regulates a number of issues in the area, for example Israeli settlement construction and the mandate (...) (23 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Speaking of damned if they did, damned if they didn't... (and otherwise only VERY LIGHTLY linked to this thread if at all) (URL) so happens that I do not quite support the theory that KP is advancing (that we need to line up docilely for the (...) (23 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Only if you say so, Lar. "The scurrilous loss of freedom in the name of security, and other changes, and blindly support(ing) the Prez" would almost be worth it IF we were getting real value for those changes. That's a HUGE if, and it just (...) (23 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, we're not. I speak from experience when it comes to airport security. Talk about your window dressing? More hassle, more inconvenience, more delay, but no more actual security. Just a big shiny new agency to suck up tax dollars and (...) (23 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) For the record, I knew your position on this. Sorry if it seemed otherwise. I think we are very much on the same page on this, politically. Thought experiment-wise, and the pleasures hidden therein, we may be of different minds. Then again, (...) (23 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well.... I agreed with everything you said in the parts that I snipped away, but I guess maybe I should have dug up a Clinton era example alternate history. (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | | | | | | "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:Gws7tC.8xt@lugnet.com... (...) security. (...) suck up (...) The 'security' move that puzzles me is not providing metal knives and forks with your inflight meal, but only plastic (...) (23 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) John, You really are a worry. I wish I could just dismiss all the news I dislike as being part of some sort of conspiracy. Life would be so much easier! The facts were: 1. Heavy gunfire coming form Jenin 2. Israel, a nation with an appalling (...) (23 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: [snip] (...) [snip] (...) Well, at least with no journalists there, it's a chance the reports could possibly be accurate & unbiased. ROSCO (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | I think Richard and Chris answered most of your other points. (...) Well why did they not let the UN in? (...) Indeed it does. (...) Do you have proof of that, or is this your old view: Palestinians = terrorists. (...) It should be the press's aim (...) (23 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) What a fool I am to have waste my breath engaging in any conversation with you. It won't happen again. BBye. (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) You don't have proof then! Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Are you trying to *bait* me? Here's another article which may explain our differences: (URL) (23 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) No, just expressing my view. (...) However, the article is interesting. It compares the US and European Press without saying who is right or wrong. Its main conclusion is that the European Press is more pro-Palestinian than what you have in (...) (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) What possible "proof" could I provide that would change your mind? None; a useless exercise which I choose to ignore. (...) I never said it did. I merely said it was an article which may explain our differences. (...) I don't even know if what (...) (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Let’s start with a little more than your say-so. (...) There you go again, inferring all Palestinians are terrorists. The USA is "fixed on terrorism" as it has only just woken up to it. Much of Europe has been suffering from its effects since (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Forget it. (...) No, I inferred that *some* Palestinians are terrorists, because some *are*. Can *you* tell the difference between a non-terrorist Palestinian and a terrorist one? It is *their* choice to blurr the distinction-- let them (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | "John" <John@TCLTC.org> wrote in message news:GwzKCL.HHp@lugnet.com... (...) OK, so you can’t back your allegation. (...) No, but I can’t tell the difference between non-terrorist “united-statesman” and a terrorist one either. Do you think everyone (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) What does "pro justice" mean? Chris (22 years ago, 10-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press —Ross Crawford
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| | | | (...) bias (...) Hmmph. Media, schmedia. A quote from the news this morning: "Israel has had to endure 5 suicide bombings in the last week, 2 of which resulted in deaths." It has been my understanding that *all* suicide bombings result in at least 1 (...) (23 years ago, 26-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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