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Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press
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Mon, 27 May 2002 18:32:32 GMT
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I think Richard and Chris answered most of your other points.

> > But John & Sheree, none of this answers why the Israelis did not let the UN
> > into Jenin. Does it? What do they have to hide?
> 
> Merely because it *appears* to somebody (who is already pro-Palestinian) that
> they are hiding something doesn't necessarily mean that they are!  How lazy at
> best; how biased at worst!

Well why did they not let the UN in?

> > 
> > The lack of a ?massacre? does not justify Israel?s actions. The lack of a
> > ?massacre? does not mean Israel did not break international law. The lack of
> > a ?massacre? does not mean Israel did not abuse human rights. Do you agree?
> 
> Israel has the right to defend herself against terrorism as any country does.

Indeed it does.

> <warning: dirty little secret coming> Most of the Palestinians killed in Jenin
> *were terrorists*.

Do you have proof of that, or is this your old view: Palestinians = terrorists.

> 
> That said, your point is irrelevant, except for the fact that the press
> probabley thinks the same way you do.  Maybe Israel didn't committ a massacre,
> but they are still guilty of x, y, and z, so our glaring error is excusable,
> because it is our intention to incriminate Israel (who, we already know, is
> guilty), even at the cost of our own credibility.

It should be the press's aim to expose Israel and other wrong doers.

> 
> In this conflict, you and the press are so quick to point out *alleged* human
> rights violations on Israel's part, and yet so silent about the obvious ones
> (such as murdering civilians) or worse, considering *those* violations to be
> justified resistance to oppression.

You say "alleged", do you deny that Israel has a shocking human rights record?

> 
> You have the right to your opinion, Scott, but the press has no right to impose
> theirs in their reporting (unless, of course, it's intended as opinion and
> STATED as such)

I agree with that, I think reporting should be independent & accountable.
That's why my main news source is the BBC. What do you use?
http://www.aipac.org?

> 
> +++++++The whole point is that the job of the press is to report the *facts*,
> not spew their ideological agendas in the guise of "balanced reporting".++++++

I agree with that, I think reporting should be independent & accountable.
That's why my main news source is the BBC.

> 
> BTW, I wonder if the BBC will print an apology to Israel for printing such
> gross misrepresentations of the facts-- I won't hold my breath...

John, have you even read the reports? The BBC did not report the massacre as
fact, the reported on the claims. Understand the difference.

Scott A



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(...) What a fool I am to have waste my breath engaging in any conversation with you. It won't happen again. BBye. (24 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) "Serious"??? As opposed to what other kind?:-) Well anyway, from the left, the center does appear to be the right;-) The reason the rumours of a "massacre" lived so (...) No, the rumors persisted because the media was so jaded by their bias (...) (24 years ago, 25-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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