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Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press
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Fri, 31 May 2002 17:24:21 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > >
> > > > > You don't have proof then!
> > > >
> > > > Are you trying to *bait* me?
> > >
> > > No, just expressing my view.
> >
> > What possible "proof" could I provide that would change your mind?
>
> Let?s start with a little more than your say-so.
Forget it.
>
> > None; a
> > useless exercise which I choose to ignore.
> >
> > If by "balanced" you mean that the European press is more apt to present the
> > "human" side of the Palestinian plight, than I do. The US *is* fixed on
> > terrorism, and for good reason. Trying to sell the "human" side of those who
> > would terrorize is a hard sell in this country right now.
>
> There you go again, inferring all Palestinians are terrorists.
No, I inferred that *some* Palestinians are terrorists, because some *are*.
Can *you* tell the difference between a non-terrorist Palestinian and a
terrorist one? It is *their* choice to blurr the distinction-- let them
*renounce* terrorism and their own who would terrorize.
The USA is
> "fixed on
> terrorism" as it has only just woken up to it. Much of Europe has been
> suffering from its effects since the 60's or before. Also, Europe avoids the
> absolutist view of the world you and Bush Jr share.
Yes, Scott, and I see how effectively Europe's world view has dealt with it.
You all don't have the moral courage to take a stand against it, because that
would be judgemental. And so you tolerate it for 40 odd years....
I wonder if the UK would just take an attack that leveled Buckingham Palace in
stride, or would she "wake up".
Personally, I find it
> rather ironic that a key ally in the USA's "war on terror" is Pakistan - a
> known sponsor of terror, which has nuclear capability!
Why so? I think I remember you accusing the US of sponsoring terror as well,
so what's your point?
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> >
> > Even Arafat is calling for the end of Palestinian terror (if he is sincere,
> > which he could quite possibly not be). It is really getting out of hand--
> > murder bombings almost daily?!
>
> I expect he is also calling for an end to Israeli terror?
Troll.
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> >
> > I'll tell you what needs to happen. The *PA* needs to start moving on these
> > terrorists and start taking them out. Why must the job be left to Israel? It
> > is these attacks which deny Palestinian hopes of peace with Israel. Why can't
> > the PA and Israel join together to end the terror? (Unless, of course, the PA
> > is *behind* it)
>
> Will Israel allow the PA into its towns and cities to find Israeli
> extremists? To arrest members of the IDF?
Troll.
>
> Personally, I think withdrawing to the pre-'67 borders would have a better
> result.
Let's suppose tomorrow that there instantly are Jewish and Palestinian states
conforming to the '67 borders. What kind of a state do you imagine the
Palestinian one to be? God help the Palestinians if they ever get what they
want, because then they will have no one left to blame for all of their
problems that they will still have.
> > Palestinian terrorists have painted Israel into a corner from which she cannot
> > and will not move-- it is up to the Palestinians to make the first move.
>
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> I find this analogy rather ironic.
Of course, because all of your beliefs about this conflict are backwards.
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> > If the Palestinians had any guts, they'd fight against *their own* for peace
> > (if indeed this is what they really want).
>
> I?m sure they do want peace;
Really. And what leads you to that conclusion? The fact that they continually
send murder bombers to slaughter innocent Israelis? If there were such a thing
as a playbook of peace, I doubt one would find that strategy contained in it.
Fact is, no one can really tell what they want, except by what they *do*. I
see them harboring, recruiting, training and unleashing terrorists, not taking
action to thwart them.
When will you get it? This all has nothing to do with a Palestinian state, but
everything to do with Islamic terrorists. As unpleasant as it may sound, they
must be eliminated. All of them. Where ever they are-- West Bank, Syria,
Pakistan, Iraq, Iran. It's a simple as that. Or they will eliminate us.
-John
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| "John" <John@TCLTC.org> wrote in message news:GwzKCL.HHp@lugnet.com... (...) OK, so you can’t back your allegation. (...) No, but I can’t tell the difference between non-terrorist “united-statesman” and a terrorist one either. Do you think everyone (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Let’s start with a little more than your say-so. (...) There you go again, inferring all Palestinians are terrorists. The USA is "fixed on terrorism" as it has only just woken up to it. Much of Europe has been suffering from its effects since (...) (22 years ago, 31-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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