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Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press
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Fri, 24 May 2002 10:41:09 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Sheree Rosenkrantz writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > These devastating articles reveal a lot about I have been saying about the bias
> > of the press WRT to Israel and the Palestinians.
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> > http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20052002-032952-3644r
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> > http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=21052002-123835-3473r
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> > http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=22052002-085307-9694r
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> > -John
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> thank you for posting these links.
As I have said before, serious academic studies have shown that the Western
Media has a pro-Israel bias. The reason the rumours of a "massacre" lived so
long was because the Israel did not allow the press into the area (indeed
they would rather attack them). The links you provide support that view:
"Not allowing media reporters into Jenin during the military struggles there
proved to be a major miscalculation. Barred from direct access,
international reporters feared the worst. They initially received only
apparently credible claims from the Palestinians. By the time they got to
Jenin themselves, many of them were strongly predisposed, therefore, to
believe what they had already heard."
"...the Israelis haplessly and inadvertently dug a public relations trap for
themselves and then promptly fell into it. They prevented the international
media from covering what was certainly extremely fierce fighting in the
refugee camp and streets of Jenin. As a result, international media
reporters could not see with their own eyes that a massacre in fact was not
taking place. But they were receiving claims from the Palestinians that it
was. And since the Israeli military were preventing the international media
from going into Jenin and seeing what was happening with their own eyes, it
was only too easy and obvious to conclude that they were covering up the
truth of the Palestinian allegations."
Despite that, I searched for "Jenin massacre" on the BBC site. I found no
evidence that the BBC had "uncritically swallowed the Massacre Myth" or that
"entire echelons of editors and executives in these organizations were
willing to accept uncritically the fierce unsubstantiated and hysterical
reports coming out of their correspondents in Jenin". I even read the report
cited in the UPI text:
"Jenin 'massacre evidence growing'"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1937000/1937048.stm
This is a report of a AI study. The article gave Israel the right to reply:
==+==
Israel 'fighting for its life'
Israeli forces moved into the Jenin camp on 3 April, saying it was a hotbed
of Palestinian militancy and declaring it a closed military zone.
Zalmon Shoval, an adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, defended
Israel's actions, saying it was fighting for its life.
"Mr Larsen has no business whatsoever to tell us what is right or wrong," he
told the BBC.
Palestinians claim hundreds of bodies are buried beneath the rubble, but Mr
Shoval said only about 65 bodies had been recovered, of which five were
civilians.
Israel's large-scale military operations across the West Bank were launched
following a spate of deadly Palestinian suicide bombings in Israel.
==+==
The BBC simply reported on the AI study.
The same atricle had a link to this text:
"Analysis: 'War crimes' on West Bank"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1935000/1935198.stm
"But the Israelis see their operation as a battle against Palestinian
terrorists responsible for suicide bombings against Israeli civilians. The
full picture of what went on in Jenin is not yet clear, and the Israelis may
not allow a proper investigation by outsiders."
I found UPI reporting to be little different:
"The deadliest fighting in the recent Israeli re-occupation of Palestinian
territory took place in the Jenin Refugee Camp, where officials of the
Palestinian Authority have said hundreds of civilian residents were killed.
Amnesty International has said that it has found preliminary evidence that
Israeli soldiers violated the Geneva conventions and other laws of war."
Why no mention of the BBC reports which debunked the massacre myth? Like these:
'No Jenin massacre' says rights group
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1965000/1965471.stm
Expert weighs up Jenin 'massacre'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1957000/1957862.stm
So what is UPI's point? Are they just attacking their competitors?
But John & Sheree, none of this answers why the Israelis did not let the UN
into Jenin. Does it? What do they have to hide?
The lack of a “massacre” does not justify Israel’s actions. The lack of a
“massacre” does not mean Israel did not break international law. The lack of
a “massacre” does not mean Israel did not abuse human rights. Do you agree?
Scott A
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| (...) "Serious"??? As opposed to what other kind?:-) Well anyway, from the left, the center does appear to be the right;-) The reason the rumours of a "massacre" lived so (...) No, the rumors persisted because the media was so jaded by their bias (...) (23 years ago, 25-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: The skinny on Jenin, the European Press
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| (...) bias (...) Hmmph. Media, schmedia. A quote from the news this morning: "Israel has had to endure 5 suicide bombings in the last week, 2 of which resulted in deaths." It has been my understanding that *all* suicide bombings result in at least 1 (...) (22 years ago, 26-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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