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| | | (...) This is more than a difference of opinion, so brushing it under the rug by calling it that won't work. (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Horst Lehner
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| | | | Hello Larry, (...) I am anxiously awaiting your reaction to my historical analysis on this issue ... will you tell me, too, that there is no room for different interpretations? If you feel you discussed this issue enough, you could also point me to (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Can you give me a link? I can't find it at the mo. But I am not sure there is much more to say. Using the proper weapon for the job against a determined, and ultimately evil, adversary is *not* terrorism. The world would have been a much (...) (23 years ago, 13-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | (...) Perhaps the proper weapon WAS used but WHOM it targeted is the issue here. It was the wrong thing to do. Eisenhower thought the same too. (...) Actually, it IS an historical fact that the Japanese were tapped out and were in the process of (...) (23 years ago, 13-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Do you have a cite for that? (...) Surrender to the Russians would have been unacceptable. We had set goals for this war and it is important to set goals and stick to them. Our current little war is somewhat lacking in concrete measurable (...) (23 years ago, 14-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | (...) Two articles I recall off the top of my head, one in "Time" and one in "Newsweek," as well as a lengthy documentary on the History Channel. On the web, here's a historian who has done extensive research on the matter. You actually have to take (...) (23 years ago, 14-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Kirby Warden
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| | | | | | | I really should stay out of this one, but I'm weak. I don't think that many of our wars have been against a group of people, but rather violent usurpers who somehow manage to gather dedicated supporters. If we could simply walk in and take out the (...) (23 years ago, 14-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | A N T H R A X - they aren't making this stuff in caves in Afghanistan —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I'm not sure we do. Yesterday's Observer: "Iraq 'behind US anthrax outbreaks'" (URL) anthrax, on its own, isn't so difficult,' one senior US intelligence source said. 'But it only begins to become effective as a biological weapon if they can (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: A N T H R A X - they aren't making this stuff in caves in Afghanistan —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: (citing the Guardian) (...) Thanks for the cite. Does anyone know if this stuff keeps for 10 years in powder form? Bacteria are quite resilient but 10 years is an aw'fly long time. (of course that (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | How odd ? (Re: A N T H R A X - ... ) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) As it uses UN data, I did not think it would show anything as far as you were concerned? Is your head out of the sand now? Larry: ==+== I have no faith in statistics that are originated by the UN unless independently corroborated, and that's a (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A N T H R A X - they aren't making this stuff in caves in Afghanistan —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The powder isn't bacteria. The powder is *spores*. And spores keep a long, long, long time--live spores nearly 8,000 years old have been pulled from ice cores in the last decade or so. (...) Apparently it's possible to get small amounts of (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A N T H R A X - they aren't making this stuff in caves in Afghanistan —Christopher Tracey
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) At a California university researchers have uncovered living bacteria spores (encased in amber?) up to 135 millions years old. Incredible. -chris (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A N T H R A X - they aren't making this stuff in caves in Afghanistan —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Wow. Like there aren't enough problems in the world already. Just what we need...dinosaur cooties. And I felt bad when they disinterred those Spanish Flu victims in '99... best LFB (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A N T H R A X - they aren't making this stuff in caves in Afghanistan —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Here's a link that indicates some people think they may be able to survive indefinitely (URL) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: A N T H R A X - they aren't making this stuff in caves in Afghanistan —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) 8000 Years! Pah, that is nothing compared to 250,000,000 years: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | | | (...) ---> while Turkey was getting ready to move into Africa (was Spain (...) I really wondered where you get this info from. Selçuk (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Me too. My impression of Turkey post WW I was more of a country struggling with internal issues and being kicked around by others, than a country that was a kicker. But this isn't my area of knowledge (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I'm weak too; I can't pass up clarifying historical confusion. 'Tis an occupational hazard. (...) I've never heard that. The general consensus was that FDR (assuming you're American, of course) was particularly eager to get into the fight, but (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Kirby Warden
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) Hey, no problem. I'm the first to admit that I'm uneducated and really shouldn't be getting involved in these debates. This isn't the first time that I have been wrong about these things. Part of my problem is that I don't know (...) (23 years ago, 16-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | | | | (...) AKA "a group of people". :-) (...) Yeah, right. America is good, those who don't follow it are bad. A little simplified, perhaps? (...) Probably Stalin, but fewer deaths and not *that* lunatic: maybe send cannon fodder, but not *civilians*! (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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| | | | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —James Simpson
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| | | | | | (...) I have spoken to a Vietnam Vet; last night in fact; I have a special word for him; I call him Dad. And you know what? Dad *never* killed defenseless women and children in Vietnam. I take extreme umbrage with your statement. That was a horrible (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | From Vietnam to Jesse Helms (Re: More on Palestine) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) I agree, Dan's tarring everyone with a big sticky brush. His general comments are interesting though. I read this in the Observer yesterday about Jesse Helms's apparent Amendment to Protect Servicemen From International Criminal Court: ==+== (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: From Vietnam to Jesse Helms (Re: More on Palestine) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think James is reading something into Dan's comment that I don't think is there. Dan stated that there's no chivalry in killing the defenceless, and to ask a Vietnam vet if you doubted that statement. I also know a number of Vietnam vets-- (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: From Vietnam to Jesse Helms (Re: More on Palestine) —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | (...) If I've misread Dan, then I sincerely offer him an apology for implying that he believes Vietnam Vets to have acted cowardly. Dan, if you don't mind, please clarify what you meant. james (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: From Vietnam to Jesse Helms (Re: More on Palestine) —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | | | I came across this post AFTER my reply to the previous chewing-out from James: (...) Forget about it, dude. I realize I make bitter statements that reflect my personal dissatisfaction with our government's foreign policy, and I have my reasons. I (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: From Vietnam to Jesse Helms (Re: More on Palestine) —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | | (...) Dan: No reservations whatsoever, nor will I shoot from the hip in the future. james (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Daniel Jassim
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| | | | | | (...) What?!!! You're taking my statement completely the wrong way, pal! Show me where I insulted any Vietnam vet?! I'm PRAISING the fact that many, many Vietnem vets knew something about chivalry. They detested the fact that they were put in the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —James Simpson
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| | | | | | (...) Daniel: I apologize to you for taking your comments out of context. As I read your statement, it seemed to me that you were implying that most Vietnam vets had engaged in dishonorable warfare. Sincerely, james simpson (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: More on Palestine —Ross Crawford
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| | | | (...) I think Horst may have been talking about this one (URL) (23 years ago, 13-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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