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| | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Kirby Warden
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| | | | | (...) Whew!! now it all makes sense. The forefathers considered how long it took to load a muzzle and the likelyhood of the ammo spilling out when they proposed the right to bear arms... (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Nope. You are trivialising the issue rather than addressing the point. "The forefathers" could not comprehend what weapons would do in a few hundred years time (ie today). What do you think handguns will be like a few hundred years from now? (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) They could comprehend that the same ordnance _must_ be available to both the military and the civilians. Chris (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Even tanks? Even fighter jets? Even chemical weapons? Even ICBM's? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I however, would urge and support a ban on weapons of mass destruction. Chris (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Kirby Warden
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| | | | | | So what IS your point then? My point is that there are more dangerous things than guns. If I am not mistaken, one of the statistics sited here directly showed that most gun deaths are actually suicides...and that the percentage of child deaths is (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) What is yours? (...) Oh. I see. (...) Does that make it OK? What does that have to do with your point? (...) It is still far too high in my opinion. (...) Not quite, but I will let it ride. (...) Read what Chris said. Read my reply. Think (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Kirby Warden
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| | | | | | (...) The only point you seem to be making is that guns kill and therefore they must not be tolerated. More than once you have asked me if this is the best that I can do. I think that I have done qite well in showing other perspectives of this (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) No. Does the film say that? (...) So that is all a gun is : a luxury. I prefer a good bottle of wine any day. Or maybe new brakes for my bike (if any one is interested : I have ceramic 517's with Avid AR 4.0, but I do fancy some disks). Scott (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Kirby Warden
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| | | | | | (...) I must have missed the film. But that is what *YOU* seem to be saying. (...) Guns are a very popular luxury indeed. And so are telephones and automobiles. All of which have some very serious uses. (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) I am not saying that. But it is a valid view. (...) I can't imagine life without a phone. I can live without a car (I cycle the 16 miles per day to work and back). I do live without a gun - I do not live in fear of criminals or the "state". (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) This is distortive and false. You're not thinking deeply enough, you're just buying the line fed you. (...) Again, distortive. Read the Federalist Papers before you comment further, would be my suggesting. The absolute level of technology is (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | (...) By whom? However deeply you or I think about this subject, the majority of gun owners (legal or illegal) do not. However noble your or the founding fathers' intentions, purchasing a gun for the purposes of home or personal defence, or carrying (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, absolutely, and I don't think that's any misinterpretation. Quoting from the opening of the Declaration of Independence: (...) I think it's pretty clear that the founding fathers recognized that governments can and will become so corrupt (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Do you think the could conciev how powerful democarcy would come. How everyone (more or less) would be able to vote? Or do you think they had events like the French revolution in mind? Scott A (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) This one is so riddled with typos I can't make it out. Would you please repeat the question, this time carefully checking for correctness? Thanks. (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) Scott, Just so you know that Larry's not just being rude because of your...special...relationship, I have no idea what you're saying either. I think that I've put the words individually all back together, but I still just don't know what you (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) Do you think they really could understand how it could work out? How modern media makes politicians almost instantly accountable? How in transparent systems, like the UK, those funding politicians would be dragged out into the open? You will (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Not the details, but the general idea. (...) Probably not. But I'm not sure that it is a significant difference in the context of protection of freedoms. It is certainly significant from the POV of the potential politician. (...) I just don't (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | My goodness Scott has been busy, hasn't he? I lost count of his posts this morning. Including some real gems like "Why?" as the entire body of his reply. (...) Agreed. Scott is wrong in suggesting that they wouldn't be able to think ahead, if that's (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) So busy, Larry, you've had to post twice just to keep up! :-) I was curious about the shortening of the shotgun though. Over here the sawn-off shotgun is the stereotypical east-end small-time shop/bank/bookie's raider's (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Prisoners. Some previous prisoners. Children. many mental health patients. The homeless. People with a sloppy hand. Did I miss any? Chris (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Um, no I didn't. Right now we have a system in which whoever spends the most has the better chance of being elected. The money they spend doesn't actually DO anything other than enrich PR/media organizations. (not bad in and of itself, mind (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Are you kidding? Chris (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) A smiley is indeed needed. This view is a parody of a libertarian stereotype: More Property = More Rights Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I am still sure I posted far less than other noise makers around here. :) (...) I think they would be able to think ahead. But not 100's of years ahaed. (...) I'm not wrong - you just do not agree. Right now, If I wanted, I could check the (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | My goodness Scott has been busy, hasn't he? I lost count of his posts this morning. Including some real gems like "Why?" as the entire body of his reply. (...) Agreed. Scott is wrong in suggesting that they wouldn't be able to think ahead, if that's (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) It shows how time changes things. What was good a few 100 years ago, might not be quite so good today. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Oops Do you think they could conceive how powerful democracy would become. How everyone (more or less) would be able to vote? Or do you think they had events like the French revolution in mind? Scott A (23 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) Conveniently, we don't live in such fear. (...) Thanks for telling me my mind. But it turns out that you're wrong. I want, regardless of what others have, the maximally effective death-flinging device. I want that so that I am prepared for (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Handgun Death Rate —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <<We are all a part of the militia and to be so without weaponry is foolish and irresponsible. Americans have not only a right to bear arms, but in my opinion a responsibility so that they are (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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