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(...) It should be noted that Speilberg is Jewish. This doesn't forgive his ignoring other pogroms, of course, but it is significant. (...) This has been hashed over in this newsgroup before; here's my take (1) on it: (URL) few of those points I've (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In my view, since the film was about Schindler's List, anyone outside of the direct effect of The List is irrelevant to the film. That's not to say their deaths weren't tragic or aren't signficant, but they are beyond the intended scope of the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or doesn't work, since we keep having wars. :( Yep, the American media does a great job to stir up hatred as to somehow justify it's shameful foreign policy. Omitting facts about the Holocaust by repeating (and repeating) only the figures on (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa. Dude. Freaky. The article number was 1227, but the trailing "7" seems to have been chopped off. Let's see if this works: (URL) that, try this... /off-topic/debate/?n=1227 The disclaimer still stands, though. ;-) (...) Hmm. It's difficult (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh heh, I see what you mean. That was a big ol' can of worms! ;^) (...) If you want specifics, I've got doosy for you-- In October of 1990, NBC aired a "special" on Nostrodamis's predictions of world tyrants (by the way, all that Nostradamis (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't remember that special, but--more than just propaganda--it's playing to public expectation. If it had aired two years earlier, no doubt Qaddafi (has anyone ever agreed on an English spelling of his name?) would have been the target. (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe that an omission is a lie. So, to omit the whole history of the Holocaust and focus only on one group of people that suffered and died, and to repeat and repeat only that part of the history (allowing the other stats to be obscured) (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Great point, Dave! And that's exactly my point of the media twisting things to suit a political purpose--hence propaganda. (...) I remember it because it ticked me off. I ended up recording it on video. (...) It's not just the lies, but the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah! Now I see where you're coming from. I still hold that, in itself, the film can't be blasted for failing to address matters outside its scope, since to do otherwise would by definition require that everything address everything--a (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes! Thanks, I was having trouble recalling his name and didn't want to butcher it. :) (...) Well, I admire any artist willing to use their celebrity status in a positive, non-egocentric way. It breaks my heart when an artist like Spielberg (a (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, I got another doosy for you, Jeremy! Old skool: Remember when "Amadeus" won a bunch of Oscars back in 1984? We all got familiarized with the "story" of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and how Salieri was jealous and killed him-- 100% pure crap! (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So did Braveheart, while we're at it, though as a history story it is only slightly more accurate than Mr. Peabody's time travels with Sherman. The only saving grace re: historical value is that neither film claimed to be an accurate (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not saying that big lies don't happen. I'm not defending the media, either. Um, I'm not sure what I'm saying. :-, Shortly after seeing Amadeus, I was made aware of the Salieri conspiracy. The movie was mean, but so what? As a work of (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay... I just thought I'd point out that I wasn't trying to negatively criticize anyone specifically for the manner in which they choose to remember the Holocaust. To that extent, I think that I am with Shiri inasmuch as personal accounts (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I was thinking of not putting anything into this thread. Tough to stay out of though. Lots of good points are being made by all parties and clearly this is a nicely behaved and well reasoned thread, kudos to all posters. (...) Good point. But where (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <just a little tummy tuck> (...) Goodness I missed you, so glad you're back!!! ++Lar (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Comfort food time! ;^) (...) Well, the Pushkin playlet started the snowball (bad, bad Mister Pushkin). (...) "Mo' money, mo' money, mo' money..." (...) Hmmm, I can dig that. (...) Exactly, but how many folks really do that? We've reduced (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) WHAT!!! You mean those time travels were made up?! Boy, and to think that I cited those adventures in several college essays! Oops! ;^p (...) Doh! That didn't really happen either?! Wow, I'm batting real low here. Yep, there's a lot of "true" (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The probelm is we are all to lazy or "busy" to read a book/s about these issues. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And Sagan never said "Billions and billions." 8^) Dave! (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know that "busy" needs to be in quotes, or if it's even a matter of laziness. If I (and countless others) spend 50+ each week working and/or commuting to work, in addition to other immediate responsibilities, I think we can be forgiven (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But we be forgiven by our families for working >50 hours per week? I read the USA has the longest working week, highest levels of work related stress and the worst divorce rates in the west. (...) 100% correct. In the field I work in everyone (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's the US; we don't do anything half-way! If we're going to have a work week, we're going to have the *longest* work week. Ditto stress level and divorce rates! Go team! (...) In my work toward an English degree I was required to buy three (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ooh! Thank you Dan! I could go for some good salsa about now. (...) And who are you to turn the heart of the average American? To introduce some new compassion into even a small fraction of your peers...it's a pretty tall order. I hate to (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I wasn't trying to pick a fight, either. I certainly didn't receive your words as negative criticism towards myself -- I definitely need to try to express that better in the future. FWIW, I liked the movie. The first time I watched it (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, and Yogi Berra nevers said "Deja Vu all over again", right??? <grin> ++Lar (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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