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(...) I know Larry has called for sitting out this one, but I've got an interesting comment here... One does have to be a bit carefull about protecting the "potential" of human life. I read a short story once which took this idea to an extreme. In (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Especially when the "spirit" of the LMBOLUA is part of the ambiguity. We don't know what TLC is trying to accomplish via the terms they laid out. All we know is they put together a number of somewhat bizarre legalish terms. Now, if we had a (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: What am I missing here?
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(...) Hopefully, Larry will figure out a new phrase, because he is constantly plowing the same ground with the "plowed ground" phrase! :-) Or has someone else complained, and thus this is plo....no, I won't say it. :-O (...) When I was a kid, I (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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(...) Your term may indeed be accurate, but I think that it does not do full justice to the inherent and latent qualities of the tissue structure. When confronting the abortion issue from either angle, the issue of potential *cannot* be avoided. My (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cool! I've never been a Usual Suspect(tm) before! (...) A rare (in ot.debate) appeal to good sense which, even more rarely, has worked on me. I'll quit venting. (...) Okay, I'll quit that pointless debate. But I'm still so mad about George (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, It is not a good debate unless someone storms out of the room and slams the door. In other words we need someone to leave LUGNET for the debate to be complete. ;-) Now you can understand why I am not in the thick of it. I do not recall (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I second the motion. I think that, while I have become one of the Usual Suspects recently, I have chosen to bite my tongue on this matter, since I've argued it so many times in the past I know there will be no agreement, and only frustration in the (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey the only way not to set off the standard debate is to not chime in. Which is why I havn't and won't. (...) I would agree. No one is going to get anywhere debating the issue because for most people there is only one side to the issue. Why (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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(...) Not to mention accurate. (...) So non-sentient tissue has rights, too? Do these rights supercede the rights of the sentient mother? Why? On what grounds? (...) Timing is the essence of the matter. (...) Nonsense. You are stating outright that (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think someone made one offhand remark about abortion in a thread. That was followed by several people all chiming in (me included) all saying they didn't want to set off the standard debate. Now we have all the Usual Suspects(tm) posting the usual (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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(...) Nice term "non-sentient tissue structure". Merely because the fetus has yet to develop sentiency doesn't mean that it won't-- aborting it robs it of its right to do so. I think timing is irrelevant. I think that's why IUDs were such a bad (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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(...) I kind of screwed up my wording, as you and Tim have both correctly pointed out. I addressed my actual meaning in my reply to his post, stating, in essence, that the evolutionary purpose for sex is reproduction, but reproduction can no longer (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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(...) I didn't state that very clearly, and I apologize. I meant that the sole purpose of sex cannot be identified as reproduction, at least not among species able to choose when they want to copulate. (...) Let me be clear--the fact that it is (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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(...) Perhaps you should try listening to "Unplugged" by Spirit of the West, for a view of it :) Some of us think that it is NOT up to the government to make a decision on the matter. It is a _personal_ choice, and one that if you are wise, you (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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(...) So you're stating that sex is an end to itself, and pregnancy is an occasional accident? So basically...we accidentally have a population of some 6 billion. I can't agree. Though sex has its own individual merits, the obvious natural purpose (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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(...) That was a good one to bring up. From what I have read of the issue with the siamese twins, I am in fact happy with the decision. I am satisfied that a rights based examination of the situation was made. In the case of abortion, it is equally (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just as a note, in case anyone didn't go look at the ref, this was an unscientific poll, self selected participants, and the quotes were, I suspect, selected to show the diversity of opinions on the issue. Tim chose to pick one quote that he (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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(...) So it seems you Libertarians are a microcosm of the rest of our society on this issue! (Well, maybe if the rest of society were polled, there might be substantially more than 8.8% in the indecisive or confusing category! :-) ) I must say I am (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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(...) Dave!: I'm curious as to what your presuppostions are in this matter (Curious - not Attacking.) From a purely evolutionary perspective, sex is meant to result in pregnancey and thus the transfer of genetic material to insure species survival. (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Abortion, consistent with the LP stance? (Re: From Harry Browne
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(...) With all due respect to Kyle, whose credentials on the subject of sex's "purpose" I have yet to read, this quote proposes a rather arbitrary view. Who is Kyle to say what "sex is supposed to result" in? Sex is supposed to result in sex, and (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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