 | | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) He's also written/co-written a couple of novels. The only one I've read to date was Neverwhere (also a TV miniseries in the UK), but. (...) He also drove a lot of adults away from reading the Star Wars novels, largely as a result of the two (...) (20 years ago, 20-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) Hmm, C.S. Friedman was born in '57, so she's out. But don't let that stop you from reading her work. (...) And J. Gregory Keyes (now going by Greg Keyes), while an excellent fantasy author, has only written sci-fi for SW:NJO and B5 thus far. (...) (20 years ago, 20-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) Neal Stephenson (Snow Crash, The Diamond Age. Both in my top 20) almost meets your requirement (b. October 31, 1959) Greg Egan (b. 1961) seem to be fairly well respected (won a Hugo and John W. Campbell Memorial Award). I haven't read anything (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) ***snip*** (...) Nice! I haven't heard that joke in quite a while, and it always gives me a giggle. Dave! (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) First of all, we Merkans don't take kindly to that Frenchy "u" in color. And we don't want no horse doovers, neither. Secondly, I can't see air, but I can discern the effect of air upon objects. Therefore I am able to draw conclusions about (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: ( (Good SF authors) != (young SF authors) ) ??
|
|
(...) 1942: (URL) the wikipedia!) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: ( (Good SF authors) != (young SF authors) ) ??
|
|
(...) Hmm, I'll have to check this out sometime. I just checked out my favorite SF author, CJ Cherryh, and I didn't find a birth date, but she received some kind of honors in 1960 and a degree in 1964 so clearly she was born before 1960. Another (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Clark County, Ohio
|
|
(...) I think the question is more accurately stated "how many Guardian readers would go for Bush?"... and I think we have our answer, (3) thanks to the cite provided by Dave! It would really be a shame if this clueless stunt (by a paper I have (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: ( (Good SF authors) != (young SF authors) ) ??
|
|
(...) Born in 1951, I think.(1) (...) Some people (2) really like him. (3) Some people find him a bit too preachy. ++Lar 1 - so does (URL) - me for instance. I usually have a preachyness detector but his mormonness doesn't come through strongly (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) My response to that has been(1), and continues to be, "so what?". If I can't taste it, and it can't taste me, what does it matter? I'm happy without. If you want to believe in pink elephants that's fine with me. Further, if the Elephantians (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: ( (Good SF authors) != (young SF authors) ) ??
|
|
(...) My friends like him. My only time with OSC was the novel of "The Abyss" (at one time, my favourite movie, and the book is an excellent adaptation thereof) Thanks for advice. Dave K (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Fun with Calendars
|
|
(...) I think he meant 1960 C.E., not 1960 by the Assyrian/Babylonian/...brew/Roman calendar or whatever calendar you commies use, Len(in)ny... or is it Le(ninny)?... (...) That would make a great story. Of course stories using JV as a protaganist (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) I can state my opinion that it will emphatically. Yes. I think that the evidence of science's track record of constantly growing, and growing at pretty much an ever increasing speed, predicts (and predictions [or guesses] are all we can make (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: ( (Good SF authors) != (young SF authors) ) ??
|
|
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> Byron(1). Nice. Dave K 1-Sometimes that disturbs me, that people drop names like that. Here's a writer that probably spent numerous months composing these fantastic poems and I (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: ( (Good SF authors) != (young SF authors) ) ??
|
|
(...) How about Orson Scott Card. Ender's game, and many other very good (in My opinion anyway) Sci-Fi books. Not too dry, and not too much (but enough) science. -Kyle (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) Jules Verne? I heard this really great quote once where Salvador Dali blames Jules Verne for everyone's death - cuz Jules Verne inspired people to develop other types of technology rather than focus solely on medicine - which if we had, we (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: ( (Good SF authors) != (young SF authors) ) ??
|
|
(...) Thanks Larry! I did like the ring series by Chalker (though it was a long long time ago (in my teens) so I may be misremembering...) Thanks for the other info as well--I'll finish 'The Teeth and the Tiger' by Clancy and find some of those (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: ( (Good SF authors) != (young SF authors) ) ??
|
|
(snip) So, further, while I was chasing that question, I thought of another favorite of mine, one who hasn't gotten too much press because he hasn't written a lot, so I thought maybe he's young enough to qualify... Steven Gould. He wrote (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) Evidence is scientific. This is much like talking about colours to a person who has been blind their entire lives--you can get across the 'concept' of colours by talking about blue is running water, and red is heat or flame ('cause a blind (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Clark County, Ohio
|
|
(...) Much wailing and gnashing of teeth (URL) has ensued.> Dave! (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | ( (Good SF authors) != (young SF authors) ) ??
|
|
(...) Not without doing some digging(0). Plus it varies according to taste. Lately I like the "killer B's"...(1) they all are within a "few" years of that mark, as compared to the grand masters you name (whether I'd put Chalker up there is a (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) Also in Babylon 5 with the Technomages. :) Love that JMS... So my friend and I were talking the other day about Clarke, Asimov, Chalker, Heinlen, etc... Can anyone name a really good science-fiction author that was born, say, after 1960? I (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) Well, if you can't provide me evidence that some supernatural phenomenon exists, then I must ask you how you conclude that the phenomenon exists. Some factor or factors must compel you to reject a natural explanation (or possibility of a (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) Evidence and proof are aspects of science. How can one use 'evidence' to show 'something outside of science'? How can one use 'proofs', which support scientific evidence, to 'prove' something unprovable? I agree that we must not stop pursuing (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) Right. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" Arthur C. Clarke Or something like that. This argument of Dave K's strikes me as a variant of the Designer argument, at least in some ways. (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) That's the wrong way to ask the question, IMO. Or at the very least you're setting a task for science that isn't science's responsibility to answer. The more precise phrasing is this: Are there systems and components in nature that cannot be (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) The original poster wanted to know how we (our behavoir) could be more than the sum of our biological parts. I simply pointed out the relevance of such an issue in the context of systems engineering. That itself isn't magic, it is a well-known (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) I see that as analogous to believing in an omnipotent God that has all the answers, and decides not to tell you them all just yet. (...) The operative word being "may". I don't happen to believe that everything is or will necessarily be (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) So the whole can be completely, thoroughly, logically, scientifically explained by the sum of the parts? As in there's no magic at all? If there are systems and components we don't understand scientifically today, there will be a time in the (...) (20 years ago, 19-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) How are we that different? Do we possess any unique basic attributes that set us apart from the rest of the animal kingdom, or do we simply possess a unique combination and degree of shared attributes? Animal research has suggested that we are (...) (20 years ago, 18-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water?
|
|
(...) The problem you're citing is basically one of semantics, so I don't think it's a good refutation of Lee's posited mathematical absolute. Whether you refer to "four" as 10 or IV or cuatro or 4, the underlying numeric principle is the same, and (...) (20 years ago, 18-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Is lgbt dead in the water? & Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
You know, for a time now I have wanted this whole thing to go away and stop appearing on the main news page, for you see, I have a terrible weakness: a great fascination in philosophy. So, this whole discussion was honey to me and I was having a (...) (20 years ago, 18-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) I'm a little confused since the definitions you choose to quote above have utterly nothing to do with the link you provide. That is talking about his intellectual approach and not atheism at all, except in the most passing manner possible. (...) (20 years ago, 17-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: A question for my Canadian pals
|
|
(...) It's an interesting point you make about owing healthcare to the world, especially right now with the shortage of the flu virus vaccinations happening. Ontario, where I live, used to provide free flu virus shots to anyone that walked into a (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Insert Tab A into...wait, which one's Slot B?
|
|
(...) You know, I found that quite amusing at first, but then I got to remembering stuff, like how when you work with steel, you have to use sticks of soapstone to make your cut marks if you want to be able to see them easily. And how I got to (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Insert Tab A into...wait, which one's Slot B?
|
|
(...) ,> (...) Remember the govenment's tolerances rule: Measured with a micrometer Marked with chauk Cut with an ax Lester (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Insert Tab A into...wait, which one's Slot B?
|
|
(...) I seem to remember hearing something to that effect in a poli sci class back in high school, but we might have been given a simplified version (since, after all, it wouldn't make sense for them to accept a $1000 bid from me to build a working (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) Those definitions stray from Huxley's (URL) original definition> (no offense intended to atheists or agnostics by the domain, but it was the most complete Huxley quote I could find), as he considered himself to be neither a theist nor an (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Definitions vs. Daffynitions (was Re: Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) It depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you want people to vote for you in an election, you don't want to undercut yourself. If you are merely looking for enlightenment and better understanding then it is best to test yourself a (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
| |
| | Re: Definitions vs. Daffynitions (was Re: Is religion dead in the water?
|
|
(...) Saw that, well done. Advantage of arguing against yourself... You always win. Disadvantage of arguing against yourself... You always lose, too. (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
|
