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(...) (stuff about Virgin Galactic) Well, whether Branson is a publicity hound or not, the naysayers have come out: For example this one: (URL) was quite taken with his "even people like Nasa find it a challenge"... - It's NASA, not Nasa - NASA (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The problem with drunk driving is the drinking (not trying to be obvious). Punishments and programs that do not address drinking will not work because if a person shows poor or no judgement when drunk, then they will continue to do this after any (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The fear of getting caught and reasonable public transport (1) means that drink-driving in urban areas is largely a thing of the past in the UK. However, in rural areas the problem is more complex… public transport is limited, the distances (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Be careful, Richard Branson's life is one big publicity stunt. Where Branson is concerned, not everything which glistens is shiny tubular bells. Search Google for "Richard Branson publicity stunt" to see what I mean. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's how I was leaning too, ie natural = occurs without human intervention. However, I have often heard the argument Dave used above, which seems to contradict that, or at least not fit it exactly. And I don't think I've ever seen a (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, everything that exists operates within the laws of nature, that doesn't mean it was created through natural processes. The natural ingredients and know-how that create a chemical concoction are natural, but the concoction itself isn't (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, our government regularly (URL) changes our electoral boundaries>, and uses lots of statistics to tell us why it needs to be done. But I'm sure they have other stats they don't show us, which they use to work out the details... Lies, lies (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This brings up an idea that has been through my head on several occasions - if you use the definition "part of nature" for natural, then what can be defined as unnatural? After all, everything on this earth has been created by nature, either (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Are you sure it would embitter him further? I would think initially he'd almost absolutely be more bitter, but the shame of the punishment may eventually break him (were it for a period of time like 6mos). Again, I could be wrong, just (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A word in defense of this statement; Andrew offers this as an example of me asserting that I have access to infallible truth. At face value, I can see how my statement can be interpreted that way, though it is not an interpretation with which (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's not how you phrased the point, initially. You presented these actions in the context of a baby's actions, and that's how I addressed them. If you wish to change the question at this time, then you must either address or cede the (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) it sounds like an awful hassle to me. A breath-tester in every car -- while the idea burns my ass, would be less hassle. Also, it might be valuable to encourage drinking near home so people could walk back. Chris (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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If this guy was genuinely remorseful, I expect this would work. However, if he were a recidivist, it would just embitter him further. “Cruel and unusual” punishment is normally a bad idea. I expect habitual drink drivers will not let this story (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Is (URL) this> democracy? "A major reason legislative elections are becoming a charade is that the parties that control the redistricting process now routinely follow the dictum of 'pack, crack and pair.' They pack voters from the other party into a (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: (stuff about SpaceShipOne) Making the rounds of the newswires today: (URL) Branson and his firm, Virgin, are to launch a new space tourism venture, in partnership with Paul Allen and Burt Rutan, (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps he was a white guy who killed a black kid? Scott A (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The line should always be drawn based on who is attempting to oppress another, not on whose view is "correct". That's the difference between preventing oppression and allowing the majority to oppress the minority. (...) Knowing that you're (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Insisting to have one's way at the undue expense of even a single person is bad, even if you're part of the majority. Figuring out who is bearing the greater burden is the tricky part, and in this case, preventing a group to speak freely of (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Andrew, Two things: First, you're absolutely right in calling me one of the people stating opinion as fact. And I do know that I'm right. And please believe me when I tell you that I wish, more than almost anything else, that I was skilled enough at (...) (20 years ago, 26-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes it is tempered with common sense. What you are saying (that god exists, that he will punish gays) is not proveable. Therefore, you have a superstition that this is what will happen. No proof, no evidence in favour of it. If you have (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Allow me to say: 1. It is the connotation of the word "superstition" that is unfair, not the strict definition itself. All book knowledge must be tempered with common sense. Othewise, I would not argue with your point here. 2. Everything is opinion (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) hmm..."superstition-N. 1. Belief in the suernatureal;irrational fear of the unknwon. 2. Pracice, belief or religion based on this" "Natural-N 1a. Existing in or caused by nature. (skipped a few) 8.Physically existing." OED Therefore, from a (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Macro-Evolution" is a term used by pseudo-scientists. Inasmuch as evolution is merely change within a species over a very long time to the point that that species can no longer produce viable offspring with a former member of the same species (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sir, I do hate (or strongly dislike) the results of these actions. Can you honestly tell me that you enjoy (or would enjoy) painting over permanent marks on the walls, changing poopy diapers, and scrubbing vomit out of the carpet, in and of (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed, sir, but my point is simply that these people feel this way, whether they are being oppressed or not, and that is what they are reacting to. (...) Again, I agree, but in every case in life (not just this), a judgement call has to be (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, but seems like an accessory or something. I guess ultimately, the worst you can say about this guy is that he egged someone on and that person bahaved very irresponsibly. Chris (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, until they try to dictate the behavior of others based on their own sense of morality. You can be a homophobe all you want, but the line is crossed when you try to restrict them from having the same freedom to participate that heteros (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's because the person who received this odd punishment didn't kill anyone. Speeding and reckless driving, yes, but it was somebody else in another car that was guilty of manslaughter. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As you note, the death can't be taken back. But that person could, and this is merely an example, tour highschools giving talks to classes about what happened and why. He could fundraise for traffic safety organizations. (...) That's a (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure. Because society somehow forgot to teach them compassion, respect, self-worth, etc. Should we wash our hands of them, dooming us to repeat offense, even if we keep them in prison? Or do we decide to look for ways to help them break the (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What restitution would you suggest for causing an accident that killed someone? Maybe I'm not being creative enough, but the person's already dead. Wouldn't the goal be making sure this person _never_ does the same thing again, and that as (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Let's Party!" -Dionysus Though I suspect you meant Jehovah... ;-) -->Bruce<-- Green-Eyed Devil's Advocate (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Things that are clearly wrong are those things that clearly harm others. Like abuse and neglect of children. Not like consensual sexual activities. Homosexuality isn't right because it's part of society, it's right because no one is harmed. (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tell me this: Is an action "right" because God says so, or is it "right" regardless of what God says? If the former, then it's an arbitrary moral system. If the latter, then God is subordinate to morality and therefore he's not supreme. (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Perfect example of how laws have changed as regards to murder. At one time, it was acceptable to offer a duel to a party who insulted you. If one or the other of you died (was murdered), there was no criminal penalty. Both of you went into it (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not actually sure what happened. (...) What exactly did God say? Not being perfect, yourself, how do you know He said it instead of some guy with a pen? (...) Without questioning what you BELIEVE God thinks or wants, and knowing that you (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) reality, my good friend, does not always determine what is right and what is wrong. needless to say my children will know about the "reality" of homosexuality sooner than i ever did. but to say that, "homosexuality, kids, is a part of society (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Let me likewise then throw everything on the table-- I'm a Christian. I believe that God created the heavens and the earth. I believe that humanity, as stated in Genesis, was put here to be stewards of the planet and, when we get out there, (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I beg your pardon? Do you actually hate these actions when performed by a child? That strikes me as a dangerous lack of self-control on the part of a parent. Wall-writing, diaper-pooping, and flu-getting are parts of being a child; a person (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This "stay the course" attitude is laudable in some circles but is rightly recognized as irrational stubbornness by others. Can you conceive of any circumstance that would cause you to modify your views? Can you imagine any circumstance under (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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