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(...) Lee: LUGNET newsgroup theory is all about identifying subsets of interest within the community and creating focused discussion groups for those subsets, both LEGO-related and non-LEGO-related; it's about creating and nurturing individual areas (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.nntp, FTX)
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(...) Oh ya, I forgot that you can say anything you want and it's assumed true until someone can prove otherwise... In that case, can I start ribald rumors about you? I bet I can come up with some that you can never truly refute. ~Kevoh (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I get it. You clearly didn't read what I said. You _might_ be right. There _might_ be people interested in such a hetero discussion group. But why would you assume a group is needed just because a homosexual group is asked for? Neither of you (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
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(...) Bruce wrote: 'They want a place to post with people who are comfortable with what they are.' Bruce, if this is the main reason they want the group, it has nothing to do with Lego - Lego is incidental at best. The primary reason is for them to (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bruce, it is clear from your posts you don't understand what true homophobia is. It is irrational fear/hatred of homosexuals. You do corectly point out that it is not mere disagreements concerning homosexual behavior. But a heterosexual being (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think I counted five last night, and you'd be a sixth. Welcome to the thread, BTW! --Todd (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
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(...) Hi Cyndi, your post is probably one of the better reasoned ones I've read on this issue. Lots of 'hets' are not opposed to the idea because people are gay (it may be a factor for some, and some don't care at all), but because they are opposed (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
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(...) <SNIP> (...) I knew someone would have a problem if someone wanted equal treatment and said then we better have a heterosexual Lego user group. I wonder why Alfred has no qualms about asking the heterosexual person if their group is really (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
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In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Anthony Sava wrote: <snip> (...) I think Anthony has hit the nail on the head here. If you open the gate to create a group whose primary focus is not Lego but homosexuality and therefore off-topic, you will have to allow (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
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(...) Johannes, I think you stated yourself very well on these points. The issue that underlies this is that these people want you to know they are gay - they don't want you to assume the are not because they are offended at being assumed to be gay (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I always liked my mother's succinct summation of Reader's Digest: premasticated literature. But I must admit, the Groucho Marx Dilemma would be woise (Help, help, let me out of here! At least throw me a magazine). Locked in a bathroom for (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh well, no worries :-) Shocking thought it may be, I *like* Readers Digest. Anything with words on a page can't be all bad, right? It could have been worse. It could have been the same cornflake package for all eternity. At least with RD I (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Allow me to politely disagree with this view. I don't think they are seeking any sort of approval - they seem to just wish to avoid disapproval, which is not the same thing. Basically, they just want to post with people who are comfortable (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I won't swear to it, but I think that puts you in the Pit of People Condemned to read Reader's Digest for All Eternity. If it didn't have any sugar in addition to being decaffienated, you'd simply be an atheist. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm. So what happens to people like me, who drink supermarket generic cola, non-caffienated, but with all the usual sugar? I'm just dying to know :-) Kevin (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
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(...) I am in agreement with you as well. It doesn't matter as long as you love building with good old Lego! James, I can tell you why this is an issue with homosexuals. They want to tell other people they are gay because unless they are blatant (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !!
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(...) build.fantasy is a good idea. I would support it. I don't see why Teddy asking for a .people.lgbt is any less legitamate, thoa. Really, Lugnet grows in fits and spurts sometimes, so I guess if you asked before and it wasn't granted, you have a (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
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(...) (snip) (...) You might have to resort to Christian Science to prove that one ;) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Offensive as Jesse is, its actually kinda fun to have him around for comic relief, when he shows up. -Tim (certified Communist and Fascist, according to Jesse) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was going to write what you just posted, Dave, but I didn't look hard enough to find the right line in the LUGNET terms of use. With that said, it's open threats like the one Jesse posted that would make me ban the poster immediately if I (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I find that such behaviour is an excellent example of ignorance... I was pretty irked by Jesse's post. (and I'm a Roman Catholic myself!) -Bryan (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really, give me a break. People in favor of this idea have tossed around the term "homophobic" not in the clinical sense, but at anyone who hasn't embraced this idea as being wonderful, and you know it. I was pointing out the fact that those (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
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(...) No, you didn't get it. What I am saying is that YOU tolerate only those that believe the way you do, and anyone who does not agree with you you automatically place into the homophobic, hateful camp, whether they actually are homophobic or they (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hi Anthony, actually yes, there is a clinical condition called heterophobia, that homosexuals can suffer from. It's easier to see this surfacing in lesbian circles, especially those that have obvious hate issues with men (male bashing, etc). (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
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(...) I disagree. (...) Explain why the actual act has been forced to take place privately. Are you for allowing public displays of sexual acts? (...) Well, I think it's both their problems. (...) So what? (...) How do you know how I treat (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I apologize for being unclear (I have since clarified my statement twice elsewhere). I meant specific sexual activity. (...) Fair enough. And on that point I think we agree. JOHN (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Who's not being genuine? I've been begging for a .fantasy for YEARS. My dragons would fit better there than in .castle or .mecha. And I'd love to see a place where my catholic and conservative breathern could come together and discuss LEGO. (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
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(...) I'm kinda with Bruce o nthis one--I mean there are those who eat oysters. Personally, I find for my dietary pleasures oysters ranking pretty much down there with mud--For myself, me eating oysters is repulsive. I have, on the other hand, been (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm disappointed by the amount of negative and sarcastic posts generated by this one simple request - a request to have a place to interact with others who have similar aptitudes and experiences. Obviously, as referenced in the initial post, (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
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(...) I heartily dislike accusations like homophobe or racist at the mere hint of disagreement - it is a dishonest form of argument by attack and intimidation. I don't use the words cheaply, in part so that when I do say it carries more weight. You (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.people, Jesse Alan Long wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Are you completely out of your tree? Let's get into this then-- Where's Gandhi, Mohandas Karamchand right now? Heaven or Hell? He didn't believe that Jesus was 'the way, the truth (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The administrators will look very unfavorably on any open persecution of anyone. You can be quite sure of that. (...) Precisely. (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It also means homosexual in today's context. True it didn't always mean that, but regardless it's a common term nowadays to refer to homosexuals. (...) Well, you can't really sue LUGNET. They already reserved the right to discriminate for any (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whether or not you think sex should be private is irrelevant. Sexuality has never been private, even if the act of sex has been forced to take place behind closed doors. (...) It may be embarrassing or offensive to the viewer and not the (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I was speaking specifically about sex with the same sex-- you know, GAY. (...) Well, even hetero PDA can be offensive. Sex should be a private thing. When people make private things public it is at the least embarrassing and at the most (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Short answer yes. Long answer coming later tonight. --Todd (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The thought of it? No, not really. The thought of participating in it? Yes. Actually watching it? I'd have to say yes, though I can't draw on personal experience here. (...) Language, like life, evolves. Deal with it. Nice used to not be such (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think the most demonstrable harm that could come of this is open persecution in lieu of pretending that they don't exist. But if the LGBTs feel strongly enough about this that they're willing to risk that, I can't see why they should be (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I highly doubt it ties back to DNA. Various cultures have had strong homosexual tendancies throughout history, including ancient Greece/Rome. Also, if it is genetic, why would the self-titled "melting pot of the world" be one of the most (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Todd & related admins: Could we (the community) get a "yes" or "no" on this topic? The thread is starting to throw debris all over the "legitimate" LEGO related posts. -Duane I'm off to adjust my skip filter.... (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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