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(...) So you think that the oil wealth is distributed equally per capita? That's remarkably Socialist of you, John, but it's not the reality. The state (states, really, seven of 'em) where wealth distribution on public projects is greatest is the (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mmmmm. Oil rich countries like Iran and Iraq? And there is no doubt that a great deal of money is paid for natural resources, the question is whether the pricing and process is fair, and whether it leaves these countries better off or not. (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I try to offer alternatives; I can't help it if you are not open to them! Do I have to offer alternatives? I'm not sure I do. Example: If I catch you having sex with your cat; do I have to offer you an alternative in order to suggest you stop? (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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John I can’t help but think you are over-egging this. You force feed your teenagers this flick if you wish. I’ll focus on why D-Day had to happen, why men had to die & what would have happened if D-Day had failed. Scott A (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can't remember Bush winning anything... certainly not medals in Vietnam. ;) (...) It is not semantics. There is a gulf between making a sacrifice and being sacrificed. Think about it. (...) The truth is becoming clearer day-by-day; your (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Forget the developing world for now. Let's pretend I'm a pumpkin farming country bumpkin getting a subsidy from the EU to grow the awful things even though there is no market for them. Like you describe, I sell my surplus at a discount and (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Other countries such as Saudi Arabia, or any of the other oil-rich nations? Seems to me that we are directly responsible for the enrichment of these nations by our consumption. But back to the terrorists. First, let's dispense with the notion (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (snip) (...) You should signal your turns. What is "AWOL"? "A Winner Over Lefties?" (...) Calloused and insensitive semantics. Par for the course. (...) Oh really. And what would it take to convince you of that? The safe $$$ is on nothing; (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Your command of the obvious is impressive. (...) What the heck is your point? You really will argue about anything! (...) Again, it is a movie, not a documentary. (...) Again, what the heck is your point? (that is a rhetorical question because (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The attempts of the pro-war right to link George “AWOL” Bush’s illegal war in Iraq to WW2 never fail to leave me bemused. (...) They did not make sacrifices; they were "sacrificed". Many of us have yet to be convinced that they died for (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The film is longer than 20 minutes. Even so, were the pathfinders on all the beaches not Brits? Also, in WW2, what would the chances of a black guy (Diesel) being in a frontline squad be? Were non-whites not relegated to logistics (as they (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I've never quite understood this criticism. How is a movie that covers the action of little more than a squad supposed to cover Juno, Gold, and Sword? D-Day is all of 20 minutes of the film. Doesn't Britain have it's own film industry? Can't (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Snip onerous list, but look out, I've gone long again. (...) There is no doubt that rule of law and property rights are problems in some places. As are local tinpots (which the first world tends to prop up in the name of trade which abhors (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey now, I *am* one of those farmers. Pumpkins, not corn. What do you recommend *I* do. I can't exactly dump the extras in developing countries, but I have donated hundreds to local school fund raisers. Is that cutting into the 3rd world (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Me neither. Probably why I didn't go see it. That and the bit about sitting in one seat for 3 hours. (...) I did watch most of BoB since it was already paid for on the cable TV. Very absorbing, but the digital film artifacts gave me headaches. (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There have been wars since WW2 where veterans were just as brave. Have you read ChickenHawk, Dispatches or Nam? (...) Indeed. The BBC has an (URL) excellent project> underway which hopes to record personal accounts from people who were there. (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think you mean the 2nd scene; the film starts in a cemetery... still a very moving scene. Once they break through the Atlantic Wall the film nosedives. (...) Saving Private Ryan is basically Holywood's version of events; I'm not a big fan of (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes. Frankly, I am more than a little bitter that I was not taught this respect at an early age. Instead, I was schooled to despise the military. That is just not right. (...) The humility. The willingness to answer the call of duty. To serve (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Those who have older relatives that were in WW2 have no problem respecting veterans. Unfortunately, the # of people with {living} WW2 vets is quickly decreasing. It doesn't help that a lot of WW2 vets have never discussed their experiences in the (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not exactly sure why SA titled his post the way he did, but I can say that the beginning of that movie is the most powerful and moving bit of moviemaking I have ever seen. I found myself moved to tears; humbled; and felt such a sense of (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
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(...) This is only part of the picture, but you do have a point. You may find it interesting to search Google for “(URL) birth control>” The reality is that developed countries are substantially responsible for much of the problems in the developing (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Note the symbol is not % but its cousin, with two zeroes in the denominator. That indicates "76 of one thousand." If they'd meant 76/100, they would have used 0/0 and not 0/00. (...) We can play the Pirate Game, winner takes all... ;) all best (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: New Product Announcement - 10152
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An Imperial Gallon is 4.55L. (URL) Christian probably should have converted to US gal in this particular case. (...) -- Tom Stangl *(URL) Visual FAQ home *(URL) Visual FAQ Home (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As long as you're not to cordial about it--we've spent months cultivating this as an acrimonious forum. It just won't do to inject politeness at this late date. Dave! (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Boy oh boy. Don't ask me to compute a tip the next time I dine on a Friday afternoon. It'll be hard to see my monitor until after my head-ectomy. The 76% figure came from (URL), in section 4.3. Poor citation on my part. **snip of the rest that (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I haven't seen Private Ryan so I can't debate you on this one. Is it OK form in here to just say thanks for the interesting link? Don (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) !!! Divide it by ten, sir. Really, you're way off. Read your links again. The statistics give the number of deaths *per 1,000 live births* not the number per *100* live births. So that's 7.6%, not too far off in a very poor country. (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, don't attribute to my duplicity what can be explained by my doofusness! (...) I figured I'd let you have one once in a while to keep you interested. 8^) Dave! (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Value systems die very hard. I was speaking primarily about the "third world" (or as we like to call it, the "two-thirds world"), but it's not hard to see that when people come here, the values system that promotes large families tends to have (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snippity snip] (...) What! You've been beating me all along with bogus facts and figures? I hate that! Liar, liar, pants on fire! I win. There, that feels better. :^) Don PS. :^) :) :^) Just in case you sensitive folks missed the other one. (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is a negative correlation between the average family size and the per capita GDP (or any of a number of other economic maturity indicators), in that as GDP goes up, people have less children. This is attributed to the shift away from (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you sure about that? Children have very little labor value in our society, and I still see the have-nots reproducing faster. You've hit ONE reason, but not nearly ALL reasons. (...) Hmm, is that wealth the cause, or the result? Or are they (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, all right--80% is a gross exaggeration. Still, infant death rates are sharply higher in third world nations than in the "developed" countries. Lemmee take another looksee... According to this site: (URL) 1999 more than 30 nations had (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I was only responding to the question as it was raised in regard to third world "per capita" breeding rates. (...) I don't know that we need to play the "genes" card right off the bat; it sort of implies that "proles naturally breed like (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi. 80% mortality? Not likely. In fact, the opposite is true; that's what's helping the problem of overpopulation along. The real pushing force is the *labor value* of children; in agricultural societies--or, better put, societies that still (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't actually have to look to the 3rd world to see the problem. It exists in your own backyard. The have-nots everywhere seem to reproduce faster. The imbalance will always exist, maybe it's programmed into our genes. You can bicker over (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: New Product Announcement - 10152
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FUT: lugnet.off-topic.debate "Christian Treczoks" <ct@braehler.com> wrote in message news:HyExHu.GGK@lugnet.com... (...) Actually there is a mistake. 1 gallon = 3.8 liters, not 4.55 liters. (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.loc.au, lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote: snip (...) That's good news! According to your link even the UN guy accepts the new PM. "A United Nations spokesman has said UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi - who is charged with choosing the interim (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, part of the reason that people in third-world nations have 10 kids is because 80% of those kids will likely die before puberty. Obviously that's not an inviolable statistic, and just as obviously it's not the only cause of skewed (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bollocks. Most of the problems of the third world countries that are doing poorly are attributable to lack of the rule of law, and lack of enforceable property rights in those countries. Claiming it's the first world's fault is, frankly, a (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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