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Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
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Date: 
Fri, 28 May 2004 19:53:47 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun wrote:

Well, part of the reason that people in third-world nations have 10 kids is
because 80% of those kids will likely die before puberty.  Obviously that's not
an inviolable statistic, and just as obviously it's not the only cause of skewed
population growth, but it's a big factor.  As a remedy, we first world nations
should probably consider other forms of aid than abstinence-based education.

Further, if first world nations faced a similar youth-based mortality rate, then
we'd see a revision of the 2.1 rule.

80% mortality?  Not likely.  In fact, the opposite is true;

Well, all right--80% is a gross exaggeration.   Still, infant death rates are sharply higher in third world nations than in the "developed" countries.  Lemmee take another looksee...

According to this site:
http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/rankings/infant_mortality_0.html
in 1999 more than 30 nations had infant mortality rates over 9% (most of them in
sub-Saharan Africa), compared with .063% in the US and .058% in the UK.
On the other hand, Saudi Arabia, itself a wealthy nation, had a rate of 38.8%.
That's pretty high, too.

Wait a minute--Papua New Guinea clocked a 76% child mortality rate in 2001, so
maybe I'm not too far off-track.

I hate it when you get in on a debate--it means that I always have to start
checking my figures and citations...

Dave!



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  Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
 
(...) [snippity snip] (...) What! You've been beating me all along with bogus facts and figures? I hate that! Liar, liar, pants on fire! I win. There, that feels better. :^) Don PS. :^) :) :^) Just in case you sensitive folks missed the other one. (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
 
(...) !!! Divide it by ten, sir. Really, you're way off. Read your links again. The statistics give the number of deaths *per 1,000 live births* not the number per *100* live births. So that's 7.6%, not too far off in a very poor country. (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: From Richard: "It's all bad news - Chaos is my fault"
 
(...) Hi. 80% mortality? Not likely. In fact, the opposite is true; that's what's helping the problem of overpopulation along. The real pushing force is the *labor value* of children; in agricultural societies--or, better put, societies that still (...) (20 years ago, 28-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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