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  ...it's Friday
 
It's Friday, so why not have a go at (URL) this> to help you unwind for the weekend. Warning 1: Shockwave is required. Warning 2: The message may be a little subtle. (URL) Scott A> (20 years ago, 14-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
 
(...) Yes. I am curator for all of .off-topic, including .debate However by choice I have not done anything to the sidebar of this group (unlike .fun or .geek) (...) Yes. Send me (or Frank) a list (urls preferred) of any and all posts you want (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
 
(...) omgoodness--I'm sitting in some presentation or other that has nothign to do with IS, bored out of my tree, with my laptop running, and I read this. Almost cost me my job there Dave!! ;) (...) Dave K -show me a dangerous Canadian lunatic and (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
 
(...) It's the 'Murica that just grates like nails on a blackboard. But who am I to speak? I say "T'ranna" for Toronto. (...) Hey! I'm the hick here! The loud mouthed "Canada da bomb, USA SuxOrs!!" Well, no, not really. But the hick part is mostly (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
 
(...) Hah! If you want a good laugh, go back and find some of my early posts from 1999 and 2000--then you'll see someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. Heck, for that matter, some would likely argue that I still don't know what I'm (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
 
(...) No, I really felt pretty bad about it when I posted. I shouldn't be in .debate because I don't know what I'm talking about. I have to figure out a way to get mozilla to drop the extra slash from my lugnet history entry: (URL) way the .debate (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
 
(...) Don, I've never thought of you this way, so I assume you are being sarcastic? I myself am very passionate about the upcoming election simply because there is so much at stake. I've watched in horror over the past 3.5 years as our government (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) NB unexpected is not the same as uncommon! (...) ...it is in the UK! So mush so that Mugabe has "banned" the BBC. Scott A (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
 
(...) I don't actually like him. In fact I cringe whenever I hear him speak. Probably the born again affectations that disturb me. Anyhow, I'm not as smart as you, so I can't really put into words why he's got my vote so far. Probably it's the war (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) I figured that it was okay because we have the same name. You can bring a few more Dons into the discussion, if you'd like... (...) That's fine, but the problem is that those reasons aren't sufficient justification to invade a sovereign (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
 
(...) Actually, you *can* win an election on that. But Ok, here goes... + Kerry, by all accounts, served his country with honor and bravery in Viet Nam, even though he could easily have dodged military service the way that Bush and Cheney did. On (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Pedro, thanks for doing what others didn’t: recognise my point! I shall try to be less subtle next time :) Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) What is your point: Is he supposed to be grateful that he was not one of the inmates who ended up dead? Does a brutal and needless death(1) this week justify the brutality which pre-dated it? Scott A (1) …which was allegedly a reaction to (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
 
Ok, let me try again. I understand you don't like Bush, but I asked what you like about Kerry, or Nader, or anybody else. Is there nothing to like about them other than they're not GWB? You can't win an election on that. (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Sure, I thought that was the point of keeping a blog on the internet. (...) Ok, you're still being too subtle for me, because I still don't get it. Educated, not average, employed, so what. Enough with the subtle hints, you're just going to (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
 
(...) I have seen the writing on the wall for Bush ever since he dragged us into an unjustified war. His administration has repeatedly shown signs that they have completely mis-read the situation in Iraq from the beginning, and it was sadly doomed (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Not the one I write my memos in. Or log, or blog, or anything other than texts for outside consumption. (...) If I wanted you to ignore my post, I would have written my reply in Portuguese. My point is that the author *wants* to get your (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Hey, tag team. No fair! (...) Ok, you didn't like those reasons. How about these? (URL) know you'll like these. (URL) is, WMDs is just one of many reasons... (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Um, what language did you just write that in. Should we ignore your post because it's "written in English for outside consumption"? What are you implying? I don't get it. (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Reading Iraqui blogs written in English for outside consumption, you mean? Pedro (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
 
(...) [snip] (...) I think the part about the sinking ship may be just wishful thinking on the part of the democrats, but time will tell. Anyhow, what I'm wondering is what makes you feel this current administration is any more arrogant than the (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Don Heyse wrote: I hope Dave K. will forgive me for jumping in. Here are a few points worth noting: (...) Does that mean that we can bomb Iraq and slaughter civilians for all time, until we are satisfied that the 15% (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) I think you're misinterpreting my analogy... Man Bites Dog is an old cliche for the "unexpected news event"... you sort of (at this point) expect Mugabe to burn down white farmers houses and beat up the last remnants of the free press so it's (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Reading those blogs might interfere with a nice pat and already well thought out view of the world, you know. ++Lar (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) They're out there if you want them. I'm sure they've been discussed to death here before, but I don't have time right now to track that down. So once again it's google to the rescue. Here's a short list from one of the sites. Reasons for going (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) If you wish to keep on insulting the messenger, all the power to ya. I'm just trying to get a coherent idea of where you're coming from. Stated--the Iraqis have blogs now, they didn't have blogs before the occupation. What'd I miss? So I'm not (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) You really should check them out. But I admit it's difficult. There are so, so many of them. (...) Wow, you really have a twisty mind. Of course the war cannot be justified simply because they have the internet now. Where do you come up with (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) I'll have to peruse the blogs more thoroughly when I'm not at work (LUGNET at the office, can only give scant attention elsewhere through the day and keep my job...) But by what I'm reading, the (internet cafe) ends justify the (inept, (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Actually, that was one of my less lame attempts to change the subject--just ask anyone. Anyway, from my perspective, I see an Iraqi citizen whose nation was invaded, who is 90% likely to have been incarcerated for no good reason, and who was (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) A lame attempt to change the subject. But if you must go there, at least his head is still attached to his body. Perspective. (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Did you read any of those blogs? They talk constantly about the electricity situation. You can get even more answers with google. Try searching for "internet cafe iraq blog". Here's the top link. (URL) begins like this: " BAGHDAD — A year ago, (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Well, that guy wearing the hood and standing on the box with wires attached to his genitals probably had more than enough electricity. See? The Dubya/Cheney/Rumsfeld reconstruction agency is improving conditions all the time! Dave! (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) How many Iraqis have access to the web? Heck, how many Iraqi's have 24-hour electricity? Scott A (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) What about: Man feeds dog Man starves dog Man wants dog's bone Man beats dog Dog bites man (...) That is correct; we are setting the standard. Remember (URL) this>: "Mr Rumsfeld said the Geneva convention "indicates that it's not permitted to (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Why wonder? Read up. if you're going to speak out for them, then you owe them the courtesy of reading their own words first. (5 URLs) sure to check out the rest of links on the right to see what others there have to say. And heck, while you're (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) I wonder at what point does armageddon happen? (...) Good question. Though, for myself, I don't appreciate being dictated to, therefore I shall not dictate to others vis a vis spiritual beliefs, so my god maybe, well, God, but yours doesn't (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) It's equally easy to lose sight of how bad some of the good guys can be when we mostly hear about how good the good guys "are." (...) I think that's the essence of it. We didn't just go in there to stop a bad guy from doing bad things--we (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) I wonder if all the other unnecessary civilian deaths in Iraq make ordinary Iraqis feel equally angry? I wonder if the light sentences purportedly being dished out to those involved in the physical abuse, sexual abuse, rape and murder within (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
(...) Nice. (...) Ahh, back to the 'US needs to be in Iraq to curtail terrorism towards the US' card. Please tell me the following, in case my 'thinking processes' as you alluded to, weren't 'on' at the time--How many Iraqis hijacked planes on 9/11 (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: [another big snip] (...) That's true, but not for the reasons you think. (Do you think? you write a great deal, but I get the impression you don't stop to think about it first.) 1. With Saddam in (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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