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(...) I can vouch for the disparagement of solar power in CA where there is bill either under consideration or that has been passed that allows PG&E to "tax" an individual's non-use of the utility when that individual is using alternative energy (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Care to finish that thought? But even without the finish I can take issue with your point. You're advocating the preemptive murder of people whom you perceive to violate your basic freedoms, am I right? Doesn't that sound a trifle insane to (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not saying we are all wrong -- we certainly do a lot of pointless, stupid, shallow things though. Pointing out those flaws is in my view being a good american because my point is the improvement of our circumstances. I have lost all hope (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please be reasonable and THINK just for one moment. What are your standards for proof? In a court of law we would look at the accused and wonder if he had means, motive, and opportunity based upon evidence. We look at a cocaine dealer and (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's the good part--the "imho" Perhaps I should have stated that "All of the following are my ideals that I try to adhere to, and my reasons for doing so." But I don't think that covers your objection. So to stop the flogging of the dead (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me try it from another tack. You may be contributing to breaking your ideals, yes, and I don't dispute that, but that's it. Your statement above only holds if it is necessarily true that law abiding citizens (you are law abiding) having (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How's that again?? Not to go 'round and round with you about the specific *gun* issue, 'cause both you and I are unmoveable on that one, and we both know it... If one of *my* ideals is that guns are bad, but I go get a gun because now my (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In each case I advocated shooting someone they either would have or did cause physical harm or were violating basic freedoms. Disagreeing with someone (...) Politicians only went to washington when there was actually something that needed (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and Tony supports Bush on this.... even though some of my countrymen are held there. Scott A (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have a look at this: (URL) more money [Brown and Root] spend, the more profitable the contract is," says Professor Steve Schooner, a contract expert from George Washington University. "Nobody in their right mind would enter into a contract (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've been reading it since about day 10 :) You can order the first book from amazon.com... All my friends have borrowed it over the last few weeks. I find it rather 'even handed' where spirituality is concerned--the 'munication between the (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ***snipped*** Heh. I just don't want Mike throwing down on me when I call him on a fit of post hoc reasoning. Dave! (With very sparing use of the !) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Don't drag the gun debate into this or you'll get responses like the following, which will derail the thread. (...) No, actually, assuming you're a law abiding citizen otherwise, with a healthy respect for the rights of others, and you've been (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, for the love of everything sacred and holy!! Stop being!!! Oh wait... i forgot to finish that tho...(pause) What's this on the back of my hand? ;) I believe the word I was going to use was something along the lines of "Obtuse" or (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The US is mostly good (light grey) and the SH regime is almost completely bad (I can't think of anything good about it at the moment, but maybe there is somewhere some bureaucrat within it doing good). The Geneva convention has been mostly (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wonder how well that would really work, or do you mean I should have my own generator for the winter months when solar is unlikely to provide the power I need. I think electric plants are far more efficient than a generator could be (and of (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sinfest has a habit of making god look rather ridiculous, you know... (one of the reasons it's one of my faves...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The conversation? Well one could wish far worse fates on the readership than for that particular conversation to cease existing, Dave! You know, you sure do use a lot of "!" in your writing, Dave! And what's more, it seems to incite others to (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are there any other possible explanations? Or is patronage for certain the only reason this contract was awarded? Patronage sucks, I always hate to see it. But how many US companies are there (please excuse me if I leave out French, German, (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa, that's quite an indictment! Cease existing! Dave! (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, but that's just a recount of the accepted votes, and it doesn't factor in the irregularities in ballot format, the use of obsolete machines in democrat-friendly districts, the unlawful removal of legal voters from the voting registries, (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, obviously you think it is untrue, but why? It seems like virtually all the evidence points the way I'm suggesting. And for the record, I don't think that he's as dumb as he seems...he almost couldn't be! But even if he were, it is still (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You just aren't listening, or being deliberately obtuse. *You* started this thread with: (URL) which you expressed outrage because Iraqis violated Geneva Conventions I, as well as others went on to point out to you, John, that the US, as well (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) which, surprise surprise, Haliburton--Cheneys old company, gets the first contract... Hmmm... Dave K (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By "same thing", do you mean that *we* are waving white flags at the Iraqi army and then ambushing them, or do you mean that we are displaying closeup images of dead Iraqis shot execution style through their forehead?" (...) Please cite (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This got a mention from one of your countrymen [NJ] in a letter to the Guardian published today: Remember Guantanamo (URL) cannot recall a greater instance of hypocrisy in the recent past and a greater disconnect with international opinion. As (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, is a great day when you have to "buy your posse" to take out "the bad guy". Paying to convince contries to be on-side. NEXT! Dave K (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I reject that you can sit there on your high horse and say "Those b*stards!!" when you're doing the same thing. I'm not saying that the US is *morally* equivalent to SH and his regime--I'm quite thankful that, even though it was under (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sinner: repent ye because ye have sinned! The "sin": Larry [2003]: (URL) someone observed to Winston Churchill that his predecessor as prime minister, Neville Chamberlain, was a humble man, Churchill is reported to have replied, "And he has so (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.terms)
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(...) Let's be realistic, Scott--my countrymen treated American Muslims like crap long before 9-11. We don't need some outside agency to create our racism for us. We're a nation of do-it-yourselfers! Dave! (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Arab states line up behind Iraq (URL) summit of Arab foreign ministers has demanded the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of US and British forces from Iraq ==+== All but Q8 condemn the invasion as a "violation of the United Nations Charter" (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If true, I’m disappointed but not surprised by this story. I’d be surprised if UK servicemen had not been trained to expect this. This “war” looks like taking a little longer than I expected due to the Iraqi’s willingness to postpone the (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "It is, are you?" I never buy it; it is so mind bogglingly dull. But it is a credible news source. Paypal me $2, and I'll mail you a copy. (...) Hmm. "Terrorism", that term is so passé. Try "shock 'n' awe". Scott A (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 1. It was a mob. 2. They were not shooting at anyone in the water; they feared someone was in the rushes. [We all fear the unknown to some extent.] 3. Look at how some of your countrymen treated American Muslims in the aftermath of 911. Those (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sorry Richard. I must conform. I must ignore you. I must conform. I must conform. I must conform. I must conform. I must conform. I must conform. ... .. . Scott A Shakti Gawain: "We will discover the nature of our particular genius when we (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, who knows? I think it bears far greater investigation but our press is asleep at the wheel. I can't even watch CNN anymore, and is Fox is a bloody joke. There's still some hard-hitting stuff on the web, but you have to dig a little -- (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) for their actions but probably won't. (...) For the record, I voted for Bush Jr. simply because I felt he was the least unquaified at the time. Gore just plain scared me, whereas Bush simply came off as stupid. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm still not getting where you are going with this, Larry. Free market of governments? What in the world does that have to do with inheritable contracts as a system of stable (or coercive) government? Unreasonable coercive barriers to entry (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You have a license to practice that pop psychology? (...) As far as you know. (...) You probably think you are a hoot. JOHN (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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