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Hi all, I think the subject line sums it all up, but here goes the story, plus introduction: One year ago, if I were to buy a house in Portugal, I might ask for a loan with bonified interest (partially paid by the state), because I'm not yet 25 and (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's because you don't want to admit that there is anything wrong about your debating techniques, which is the real thing I'm objecting to. The subject is just the medium. This is now the third time I've pointed this out (all three contained (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I meant, its not my perception that you "don't agree with Bush's unilateral outlook". BTW: Where did you "specifically" say you don't? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not my perception. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm more partial to Lakeesha than Shirly. (looking at ground and aimlessly kicking rocks)....ummmmm...no, I meant it in a bad way... :-O Bruce (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe I am mis-reading you hear (or maybe you mis-read me.) Last time I checked, if I publicly announce I do not like my government 'leaders', I will not be publicly executed later that day. However that is standard in most Arab countries. The (...) (22 years ago, 29-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, you meant that labeling of uncle Thomas in a "good way", surely? <G,D&R> (whoops, didn't mean to call you a Surely. Or a Nancy either, for that matter) <runs farther> (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thomas Sowell appears regularly in the Orange County Register, a paper that doesn't even make a pretense at balance (like Sowell) and is wall-to-wall right wing. The only good thing about Sowell is that he enjoys labeling anyone he disagrees (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's an egregiously qualified freedom at best, right? The fact that it is worse for others doesn't make your/our situation any better; it is only better by comparison. -- Hop-frog (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Did anyone hear Marketplace yesterday? There was this one segment on the protest against the IMF taking place in D.C. What caught my attention was the shift in who was to blame for economic hardship. The example or Argentina was raised. Argentina (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know that they are of less concern but rather at the oppisite end of the spectrum. I was more concerned with the discription than the conclusions the author drew. (...) guns. (...) Well I have the silly notion that the United Nations (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well in my local newspapers it is easy to find liberal propaganda, so reading aritcles full of conservative propaganda (which seems much harder to find) is good for balace. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) think there are *some* of the ivory tower types that the author suggests, but they are certainly of less concern than people in the privileged Bush mold. Being privileged because of education is not that same as being privileged because of (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks Mike. Interesting article. That source has a lot of columnists (1), here's another one: (URL) a perspective on how to decide whether someone stands trial in civilian court, stands trial before a military tribunal, or just gets locked up (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well kind of anyway. I don't really agree with everything in this article but most of it seems right on to me. (URL) is an opinion peice written by Thomas Sowell. As of posting the link refers to the September 18, 2002 article. Agree or disagree it (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) The fact that someone had their fundamental rights of; freedom of speech, freedom to peacefully assemble, and freedom to peacefully protest, and there was no public outcry. There was no major news coverage. It is just disgusting. (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you *would* bother to attack somebody? I wouldn't, so yes, we are in disagreement. So much for your holier than thou stance. (and by "bother" it was pretty darn clear I was refering to attacking Iraq, so let me anticipate your mindless (...) (22 years ago, 28-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, I seem to have missed the explanation of what exactly angered you about the subject? I thought it was a good pointer. Chris (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) was (...) Yes it was, but I am rather tired of hearing the Democratic propaganda that Gore won the popular vote. Shouldn't we be worring about the Republican propaganda that Bush was legitimately elected? See there is a paradox if I ever saw (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What part of this is becoming a Monty Python routine didn't you understand? The automatic gainsaying of whatever the other person said isn't an argument. You offer no support for your statements, while you leave support for mine right there (I (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am. Didn't you get the memo? Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's actually my stance as well, but I didn't all my facts straight before posting, so I figured I'd simply address the logical problems of Mike's assertion. Michael Moore, who admittedly sometimes clings too dearly to erroneous information, (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, so it's redundant. I just like the tongue-twister aspects, as Larry noted. :-) Bruce (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, Ill submit to judgment by my peers. Maybe we should run a "Who is the most self-righteous" poll? ;-) Bruce (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How could it ever be otherwise? Who is actually righteous? =) -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm, I can't say that I think it was even close. The election was stolen pure and simple. We are no longer the country we think we are, and we probably haven't been for quite some time. I know -- I keep trying to be optimistic that things (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I specifically said I don't agree with Bush's unilateral outlook. I'm critical of your axe-grinding, slanted presentations, and sanctimonious self-righteousness, but not always with your actual positions. Bruce (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's the snopes link: (URL) Dave! (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean? I think you might mean that I am more concerned with the fate of Americans at war than others. If that's right, then I guess I do agree. Not so much on a philosophical level as on a gut reaction level. One random stranger is (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are misrepresenting me. (...) I think you are wrong to feel safer. (...) Have I ever said they should be left in place? (...) No. Did I say that? (...) I'm not avoiding anything, you are jumping to conclusions and putting words in my (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I find that comment a little full of "self-righteousness". :) Scott A (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...but you (& Chris) do share Bush's unilateral outlook to some degree, that is what I don't agree with. Scott A (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But you're accepting Bush's victory, even though it, too, was well within the margin of error. Are you familiar with the notion of "special pleading?" (...) As "first stones" go, I find this phrase particularly offensive. For quite a while you (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) was (...) I don't see how it matters. I suspect he would have done largely the same stuff in Afghanistan, but not be threatening Iraq. But really, who can know? It doesn't need to be that Gore would be doing anything different for us to think (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh for crying out loud. The "popular majority" that Gore supposedly won by was a smaller percentage than Bush won in florida, and well within the margin of error. Seriously, does anyone think Gore would be doing much different than Bush right (...) (22 years ago, 27-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) I'll forward it off to one of my WW newsgroups! By the way, wasn't that 2 hours last night great?? Toby, Josh and Donna lost, trying to get back to DC... Whoever said that WW uses (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) There--in case we ferget in the future, we can fall back on one of these... Dave K. (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's a trick of equivocation, I admit. I was making a joke at the expense of "our" "duly" "elected" "President!" (...) A big one, IMO! I'd love to see someone try to exploit it, but that would be as good as forfeiting the race, since it would (...) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me too. Chris (did I forget the smiley?) (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) All of them. War is hell. Chris (22 years ago, 26-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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