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(...) I think the "West" would have continued to exploit Africa even if the CW had not happened. However, I think the CW did have a significant effect there... and continues to do so. Where did our superfluous weapons go when the CW ended? (...) (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Gosh. From the rant below, you must be almost as old as me. You didn't mention one other feature of the "cybrary" model -- that there are seldom enough computers or terminals to accomodate the same number of researchers as the old books. When the (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I happened to come across this guy Alan Keyes on cable tonight while waiting for "Blue Planet" to come on again at for it's second showing of the night (missed the first one) -- wow, Alan Keyes sure has a lot of interesting opinions. I couldn't (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So was I 8?) (...) That'd be kewl. (...) end (...) However, western media was always pointing out how far we were ahead of the russians, and I've no doubt they were saying exactly the opposite. Who has greater abilities (or fire-power) doesn't (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I'm not sure that the Cold War encouraged poverty and war in most of Africa, though it may have informed or triggered specific points of instability (a la Nasser). But I don't think the presence of that particular arrangement of world (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean exactly with "encourage"? IMO, the conditions for the present overabundance of conflicts in Africa has more to do with the Berlin Conference than it has to do with the Cold War. This period only enhanced pre-existing rivalries (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's a little article from the on-line version of my local newspaper about this base: (URL) (24 years ago, 28-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wargamers do not exist in the current version of the game, so I can pencil in whatever I want. :-) (...) At the time I originally read this, no. We get back from the Dominican Republic (arrrr, I gotta be finding the maritime museums thar) the (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. (...) A simple question then: Did the cold war encourage poverty and war in (say) Africa? (...) Cold war : A state of rivalry and tension between two factions, groups, or individuals that stops short of open, violent confrontation. (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So is "developing world." In fact, most people's conditions are becoming worse instead of better--and following a Western prescription for proper development is the crux of the problem. But I would argue that there is only a correlative (and (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why would it be preferable, in this hypothetical example, to be ruled by machines than governed by humans? Dave! (Only half kidding... After all, we cannot allow a mine shaft gap.) (24 years ago, 28-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you mean no "bombs" were dropped, I agree. On every other level is was a disaster. Its legacy lives on throughout the developing world today. Calling it a "cold" war is a complete misnomer. Perhaps of OBL had a few nukes, 911 would never (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess I was being too simplistic. How about when everyone carried onboard defense-ware that would automagically compute threats and attacks and either alert you to them or respond with massive lethal destructive force? And what if that were (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Those who think they can draw faster? ROSCO (24 years ago, 28-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This was fine. Don't profane and don't attack people and I think everything else just falls into place. (...) I hold various opinions that I "know" are right and they are in opposition to my society (or at least the vast majority of it). (...) (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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First, I don't intend to troll, but it has been a long time since I participated here, and so I am finding it hard to recognize the limits of acceptable behaviour here. (...) It took me 27 years to realise that during the cold war the Russkies (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :-) That can be interpreted in different ways... I'll go with the funny one. (...) They have to do with the law. The law is a sort of a commitment, it intends to define good and bad so that we can act accordingly. It sometimes fails, but heck, (...) (24 years ago, 27-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, it was intended as more tongue in cheek than it came across--I was in part alluding to my recent calls for other additions to the Godwin list. "Petty and annoying" was a poor word choice... Dave! (24 years ago, 26-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that should be ammended to government can't be any smarter than the dumbest person (or sheep if you prefer) you let participate (vote) in it, but that doesn't sound very supportive of democracy, does it? However, it does explain a lot. (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And they'd be right. (...) No. If we accept that the notion of a villain is self-defined, then we are both our nemises villains. It's not like in comic books where some people are bad and some are good. Most people think they are good (even if (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) exploit (...) I'm not sure if this was tongue in cheek or not, but just in case... In this segment of my note, the sheep were not the conspiracy nuts, they were the masses of people who, not knowing how to take advantage of the system (and (...) (24 years ago, 26-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm quite glad you dropped in. A debate isn't a debate unless different viewpoints are expressed, right? :-) (...) Agreed, for the generality of cases. (...) Perhaps you are neglecting the importance of the markets open for each country: (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OTOH, that person can think of you as a dangerous threat to his/her lifestyle. PLUS there is the chance you or that person are the villain, but cannot realize it due to strong conviction in your/his/her own ideals (i.e., "I'm right because I (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, occupational hazard (English major)... The killer is that, the word does have an unfortunate overlap into two related but distinct applications, so it's tough to keep them separate. (...) I'll buy that. (...) I thought they bumped the (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm... Alanis Morisette => Some Retail Saint Maybe she's part of the plot to rework the commerce system with all that crazy monopoly money. Of course, Alanis Morisette also => Smartie Toenails. Hmm... And, now that I think of it, "Dave Thomas (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think I want some clarification here-- society forces its members to abide by its rules, written, spoken, inferred, whatever. It's the nature of a society. And as the society grows, it becomes harder to avoid. But isn't part of that reason (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave! Is this the semantic game AGAIN?! Man, you love to talk about words... Maybe we just need another word for what happens -- maybe the word "conspiracy" is insufficient to describe observed phenomena. I keep thinking about chaos theory, (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The midgets (Little People nowadays) were NOT being smuggled. However, what we had inserted into their alimentary canal may have brought objections from the Peruvian government (it certainly did from the midgets). (...) In this case, I can't (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Baaa!! (...) I like what CJ Creig said in WW once, and can't remember exact wording but here's paraphrased... "I take comfort in the fact that once 2 or more people know something, it's impossible to keep it a secret for an extended period of (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, given the basis of the USA as constituted--its core principles--I'd argue that enslavement would, in fact, constitute the collapse of our society. (But I did read you in the "enslavement" sense, actually.) But it would require some (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can we go with hoi polloi? (...) That *is* fascinating--on what is that belief based? And where the heck have you been? I haven't seen you on OT.Debate in like a year?! Dave! (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe I am sticking my nose where it does not belong, but I find it unlikely that countries with insurmountable debt are the only countries that would be inclined to invade other countries. As I understand it, prior to WW2, most nations were (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Like any self-respecting and haughty high-born conspirator, I much prefer the term "great unwashed" to "the sheep." So let's go with that please. (...) Actually, I think existence of such is mandatory, but you say unlikely, how fascinating. (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ummm, how do you know that? Have you asked everyone? Regardless, I also live in a middle class area with low crime, and would postulate the ownership of guns is also fairly low (seeing it's pretty hard to convince our PM of the need to own (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL :-) -Mike Petrucelli (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll need to see that evidence before I can believe you, and it would need to be pretty convincing! 8^) (...) Yeah, that does stink. I think, though, that tests for validity *do* exist, such that an alleged (IE: Fraudulent) "psychic" could (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[snip] (...) Well it can be proven that Bruce is innocent of the charge. While there is no proof that a *insert magic cure of your choice* works, there is also no proof that it does NOT work. I agree that it is a stupid technicallity but that is the (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Lately I've seen a bunch of commercials for pseudoscientific "health" products, such as magnetic insoles, ionic bracelets, and electro-stimulating gut reducers. In general, these products have been shown to have no beneficial medical effect, yet the (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not convinced that the distinction between the two is as clear as our language makes it seem. And anyway, my personal (patently predjudiced) experience suggests that those drawn into law enforcement tend to occupy both niches. (...) I (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Templars, indeed. It was the Hospitalars, but the money was provided by the Gnomes of Zurich. Fnord. (...) To actually address Chris' question back up at the top: as few as two. But conspiracy is usually defined as having some illegal (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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