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Re: An armed society...
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Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:28:47 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John DiRienzo writes:
> First, I don't intend to troll, but it has been a long time since I
> participated here, and so I am finding it hard to recognize the limits of
> acceptable behaviour here.
This was fine. Don't profane and don't attack people and I think everything
else just falls into place.
> The "I'm right because I think I am, so you must be wrong" is instilled
> by the individual's society that teaches him that he is right - not that he
> "believes" he is right, but that he "knows" he is right. Moreover, he is
> right, because his society says he is.
I hold various opinions that I "know" are right and they are in opposition to
my society (or at least the vast majority of it).
> Therefore, two people from two
> different cultures can both "know" they are right even when their beliefs
> are diametrically opposed; even when the beliefs of both can't possibly both
> be true
But generally I agree...I wasn't trying to find a whole, just add a layer.
> > > Even someone who is committing a crime in front of me may not think of
> > > himself as a villain;
> >
> > And he may not be one. Crimes have nothing to do with right and wrong or • good
> > and bad.
>
> nothin?
Not inherently. I suspect (hope!) that there is a positive correlation between
our laws and my right/wrong aesthetic, but there are so many crimes that aren't
bad, that I sometimes wonder.
> > I'm hoping that the notion of countries will become outmoded long before that
> > can happen. I guess we'll see.
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> And with regards to one united global society that requires no government
> (or country as you put it), until all the country lovers (those who adhere
> to the assumption that a state of some kind must exist even if their own is
> not perfect or even useful) come to understand that their belief is unbased,
> life without some form of government(s) will not happen. Moreover, anarchy
> won't work until everyone knows (not believes) it will (and how it will)
> work, and very few if any seem to know it (are able to prove it), and most
> believe otherwise, myself included. Please explain to me how the world's
> current state of affairs is not the result of anarchy
Our current system is a perfect example of spontaneous order arising from
chaos. I agree that there once was anarchy, but there were so many benefits to
organizing that anarchy withered away. And that was good. I think that we are
approaching the point where anarchy will be technologically plausible.
> and would be all over again even if we somehow ridded the world of all the
> governments that exist today.
In some form, people will always organize to increase efficiency. If the
governments, through technological reality, do not maintain a monopoly on
currencies, and The People have access to weapons of mass destruction, then
governments don't make sense and don't have the ability to self-perpetuate.
Who would bully and coerce if everyone carried nuclear pistols?
> Ideally there will be government, but one that barely
> does (or is required to do) anything and that will happen when men have made
> enough advancements in knowledge and take their own precious mortal lives
> that seriously.
I look forward to that. And if that's the best we can do, then that would be
dandy. But I am very interested in taking the experiment farther.
Chris
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