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Re: An armed society...(what if?)
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Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:55:43 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
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> > How many must there be for a conspiracy?
> Additionally, events can conspire without implying any devilish overseers
> at the helm; a number of factors "conspired" to have a guy rear-end my
> vehicle last month. In that sense, "to conspire" simply means to work in
> conjunction toward a single end, but I don't suspect that the Templars were
> behind it.
The Templars, indeed. It was the Hospitalars, but the money was provided by
the Gnomes of Zurich. Fnord.
> The essential difference relates to the level of organization and the
> breadth of the enterprise in question. I would suggest that disparate
> factions working toward a similar goal do not constitute a Conspiracy; some
> deliberate coordination between them is fundamental. Thus, if Officer A
> independently plants drugs on Person X in an effort to set him up, and if on
> another occasion Officer B independently plants an illegal firearm on Person
> X in an effort to set him up, I don't think that would count as a conspiracy
> between the two Officers, since there was no intent of coordination.
> There aren't any ironclad distinctions of definition, and there is a lot
> of room for blurring between capital-C and lower-case-c.
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> Dave!
To actually address Chris' question back up at the top: as few as two. But
conspiracy is usually defined as having some illegal means or ends in mind.
Perhaps, though, we can expand that to include a hidden agenda. So, you say
that you want to condemn drug-lords property, but what you REALLY want is to
use any flimsy excuse to condemn property to add it to your coffers. Legal,
but certainly immoral. Perhaps that rates as a conspiracy if the police
department is behind it. And if evidence is manufactured (or threatened to
be manufactured) then is passes over to the realm of illegal and most
certainly becomes a conspiracy. (I did not write any of the preceeding
willingly, it was due to Orbiting Mind Control Lasers, controlled by the
CFR, which was in turn controled by the Bavarian Illuminati).
But never credit to malice what can be explained by stupidty. (debating
whether there should be a smiley or frowny face here)
Bruce
(Discordian Society -> Antiquarians Society -> Wargamers -> AFOL -> Me)
(fnord - I hope Steve Jackson is taking notes on all this)
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| (...) I'm not convinced that the distinction between the two is as clear as our language makes it seem. And anyway, my personal (patently predjudiced) experience suggests that those drawn into law enforcement tend to occupy both niches. (...) I (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) As further clarification, it might be useful to distinguish between the Foucault's-Pendulum-style Conspiracies and simple two-guys-working-together conspracies. The former generally cannot exist in its described form, since it demands far too (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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