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(...) I read that article from the New Yorker -- a really valuable perspective piece I thought. Vollmann does more than describe the Taliban message too, he gives a good background on how they were brought to power by decades of misery in (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying that the do not want your government to invade the privacy of individuals which they suspect may be terrorists in a manner which is simpler that it is right now, but it is OK for them to improve airport security? In either case, (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and it looks like I was correct. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Calling them "evil" proves nothing. It may work for GWB on CNN, but it does nothing for me. (...) Indeed it is not. Neither is it the duty of US to ensure people are enslaved by their government. Or is it? (...) There is nothing to bomb in (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to agreed. I detest talk of revenge and retribution. This should be replaced talk of justice. But the problem with that is that is does to attract views to the networks. Scott A (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More rumour. More speculation. That is just what we need. Scott A (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't understand this argument. Everything science proposes is theory (hypothesis, actually). It never goes beyond that. Everything science determines is a tentative explanation, pending better. It is not valid to claim that "evolution is (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well... I heard them. I heard what they were saying BEFORE this. bin Laden's jihad isn't just about Israel being mean to the Palestinians. It's way more than that. Read some of the links posted here, the interviews with him, the link I gave (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Very well put Richard, Lets finally look at the root cause. All this talk of attacking, revenge, terrorism. Can someone please tell me why these people did these horrific acts? What drove them? was it the only option they had to make their (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What I want to know is, if Osama bin Laden is not involved then why are people carrying his flag and making statements? This to me doesn't make sense. If someone else was involved, surely they'd carry his flag instead?... Anyone else wake up and (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If that's a backhanded concession of any sort, I'll take it. :) Another good site is www.swordandspirit.com. It's chock full of humor - about as far from cranky as you can yet. (...) I don't see this. Can you cite an example? (...) At this (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sure that we'll see more civilians die at the hands of fanatics, and I'm sick to the guts at the prospect of a terrorist nuke or deliberately seeded epidemic. I don't know when it will end. I don't think politeness works with insane (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Before people foam about this petition, they ought to go actually read it. It asks for very reasonable things... that we seek to obtain proof of who did it, that we do our utmost not to target civilians, that we not seek revenge on nations (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This is a very long article but I found it quite worth the read. (URL) far as I am concerned, the Taliban is pretty straightforwardly evil, if only for what it has done to its own people in the name of Islam. That said, it is not the duty of the US (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I want you to identify precisely what that means for me, because it is my guess that if you REALLY examine what it might mean you will see how it is an unachievable goal. And even if it is achievable, I have the funny idea that what you are (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to jump in... What do you think pacifism at a time like now is going to get us? All it will get us is more innocent Americans (among others) killed. Do you think these people are just going to stop now? Do you think if we say "Please (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I try to be a pacifist: as Richard says, it's a position that's only really challenging when war looms. The more I think about it the more I am convinced that any military offensive in the Middle East will be a grave mistake, morally as well (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's worse, "digital devices" means software and hardware. So open source operating systems would be illegal. (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In article <GJuwHM.9ED@lugnet.com>, "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote: <snip> (...) You also have to consider that the only contact Joe Sixpack has with arab peoples in general is what he sees in movies or on the evening news. J.S. (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey Y'all: In the wake of the enormous human tragedy of last Tuesday there is little that can be said to assuage the justified anger, sadness, bewilderment, and deep conflict that many of us are feeling. I think it's important to give into these (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rudy rocks. They ought to draft him for another term. Most level headed politician we have. But I digress. :-) (...) Not a frivolous attack at all, IMHO. It's amazing how easy it is to ignore the actual answer to your question when you are so (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes or the press conferences with the New York mayor: Mayor: our first priority is to resuce and search for people Reporter 1: Whats the body count upto? Mayor: we're not interested in that, we're concerned about finding people Reporter 2: How (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Excerpted from the latest poll, completed on the 16th, reprinted without permission: (start) Respondents effectively differentiate between terrorists and either a specific ethnicity or religion as 84% of those surveyed consider the U.S. to be at war (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yup, me too. (...) Yes, this is the difference. The US seems to want military action against known terrorists, even if bin Laden is just a suspect in this one case. I would suggest that the only immediate action that should be taken is to (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Los Angeles had 2 drives sponsored by competing TV stations. $350,000 was raised by one. Over $1,000,000 was raised by the other. Not bad for a couple of anchors who made a simple phone call to get them started. -Dave (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oooops! They have plugged it!! Didn't realise 'cos I had the cookie in my browser 8?( ROSCO (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, they have a fairly effective method of categorizing articles, and filtering posts, which makes it somewhat easier than some for finding interesting / useful stuff. (...) address, use (URL) found on /.!!) Dunno why they have rego if they (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks to Ross posting the Stallman link I did some nosing around /. and there is a lot of great stuff there! Here is a very thought provoking essay (URL) to the brits out there, keep reading past the bit about how and why the brits did what they (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd like to take a crack at this representing the Biblical Inerrancy crowd and have a little fun, too. I know what you're thinking: "You can't mix the two." Ha, and again I say, ha. (...) That'd be pretty hard, considering that the altar was (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) WHOOPS! Forgot things: Also, isn't it great that you DON'T have to agree with my view of faith? 8?) Oh, and you're welcome... Matt (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fox News Channel has been replaying the mass in its entirety since it happened...if you have access to them on satellite/cable, I'd check them late night tonight...also, try stations like EWTN and the like, I don't watch them, but it seems (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is not all correct. In some jurisdictions, a given criminal act can result in different charges, based on the criminal's reason for the act. For example, If an assault is primarily motivated by the perpetrator's hate for people of the (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Seems a good summation from my POV. (...) No probs there either. I'd prefer not to discuss directions, as I have fairly limited knowledge of America's foreign policy. But I think it's fair to assume that someone's pretty annoyed with it right (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Also this piece by Richard Stallman: (URL) (who's never had his baggage searched at any airport, even when he declared slightly more than allowable value at customs 8?) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As a Christian, I agree that if many so-called Christian leaders had their way we'd all be almost Amish. As I've said before, I believe it's because most Christians are guilt-motivated. They really don't know what to think and as such are (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Matthew Gerber writes: <snipped all but one line> (...) While I don't concur with some of your reasoning behind what you believe, I wanted to thank you for your "Prayer posting" and for the tribute page - both are (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have heard others criticise Paul in a similar way, basically saying that his ranting is not necessarily representative of what Jesus would have preached... but that I suppose is as much interpretation as anything else. Which I think is the (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the case of Mosaic Law, our letters record Christ himself declaring it irrelevant, so the authority has in fact settled it for those who accept that authority. Some things have in fact changed, and the majority of believers recognize it as (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From Forbes, which is much more libertarian than Fortune (which is why I subscribe to one and read the other on airplanes where it's free to me) (URL) I say I totally agree that we do not need changes in the Bill of Rights? Airport Security (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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