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(...) I am not sure I agree. I am somewhat scared by the sudden uptick in recruitment, some of the people joining seem rather, well, brutish. I think the last thing we need is some ignoramous on the front lines shooting up a village of innocents (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Tales of Stupidity (Re: Stupid Tales of Misplaced Zeal
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(...) Sigh indeed. My only contribution to this string is to change the subject line. I do NOT see this sort of thing as misplaced zeal. Misplaced zeal is trying to donate blood after you already heard that they don't need any. This is stupidity and (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Some of us would rather see you expend your energy in reviewing what came before rather than rehashing. Everything you've said has been said before in some previous incarnation of this debate, so don't think you're adding any new value or (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what is your plan then? Ask nicely? What if asking causes Pakistan to topple and the Taliban to launch a war? (...) So you are so sure that you know what to fix that you see debate as "needless"? My, I wish I was that certain. I see debate (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I re-read that and realised it wasn't a good description of my belief. Perhaps closer: "...he instantly loses all his followers, *from his point of view*, because they no longer have to make any choice to follow him." (...) I agree with (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Those boneheads that are commiting hatefule acts against innocent citizens should be punished by forcing them to do a tour of duty. Let *them* be in the front lines if/when we have any ground battles. Julie (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ack! No, don't tell me that Reality TV has provided *anything* pithy! (...) And, remember, if God created all and is omnipotent, God also created evil and possesses the power to destroy it at any time. Evil is not merely the absence of good. (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Colby from Survivor 2. (...) Mark said: The Kindness Of Man. Please, give credit where credit is due, and don't shortchange the good people. You said: All goodness derives from God, but this is a technicality in this instance :). So what did (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It begins: (URL) *sigh* Not only wrong for attacking a fellow American, but too ignorant even to know who the target of his hate was. Not, of course, that the perpetrator cared. :( I did some shopping last night at the nearby Indo-Pak grocery, and (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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This debate is going nowhere, and no one's opinion is going to change here. But you say there is convincing evidence that there is god, and yet I have seen any. Let me put my opinion this way. I will believe that there is a god when he shows (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'll try to address both Adam's and Ross's posts at the same time. (...) Exactly. I believe that too. As I mentioned in my other post, I can put my hands on a huge amount of evidence for the existence of God - all circumstantial, and none of it 100% (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Great! My prayer worked! You reconsidered! (...) Sorry to hear that. Hopefully, we can accommodate you. (By the way, I'm Protestant, so I may share some of your concerns with Catholicism.) (...) LOL. Who said that? (...) All religions are (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True. This assertion is based on faith more than fact. (To clarify, the following is one of Jeff's paragraphs, not mine; and I addressed it in my previous post.) (...) Additionally, I'm Protestant, so I too look with skepticism at some of the (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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(...) No, we just put a spin on it to make it look like we do. (...) Yep, apparently that's what it now is. (...) -Dave (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I make the suggestion that Koresh and his followers were fanatics. You don't have to be a terrorist to be fanatical. I'm pointing out that misguided religious folk make excellent fanatics. Give people what they want, and they will follow (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never claimed it was a good idea. I'm just pointing out that no good ideas have spung from this. We've proven in the past that quick surgical strikes slow the problem down, but don't stop it simply because zealots are willing to use their (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi Ross. I would have thought if there was any conclusive evidence for the existence of god that the christian belief wouldn't crumble, but be elevated to new heights of wisdom and logic. The statement that if god exists he, is beyond our (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Replace the word "Palestinian" with the word "Israeli" and you have the recipe for an eternal conflict. The cycle must be broken. Right now it seems that the Palestinian answer is to kill also those enraged family and friends. (...) So is (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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(...) C'mon, you have it all wrong!!! We don't go around doing bad things. We are the "good guys." And anyway, the U.S. Government co-signed it so that makes it okay... ...its "US" (U.S.?) or "THEM", right? -- Hop-Frog (who sips his Ruby Ridge over (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is REALLY well stated! It all seems so simple that I think it eludes people how difficult it can be to actually step out of our own subjectivity and into a greater, more universal truth with others. <3 -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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(...) You don't specifically state this, but it seems the suggestion is that Koresh was a terrorist. You do know that that's incorrect, don't you? And further, that he (and his) was(were) victimized by the US people -- rather than the other way (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: LP SPAM statement on terrorist attacks
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(...) Exactly! -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | 911 (was re: My God...my truth...my pain...)
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Kirby: Thanks for sharing. I found it very interesting. "One" of my first thoughts at seeing the planes flying into the WTC was to think "Fight Club." What happened on 911 was horribly elegant enough to prompt some very wierd speculations on my (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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(...) And given that metaphor I fail to see why it's a good idea. The need for vengeance will wear thin, and reality will set in. I insist that given a possibly impossible task, we should look for longer-lasting alternatives to war. And a lot of (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I think the notion of ownership of real estate is corrupt not only because we can't possibly track it back to an original "fair" owner and then trace it forward to who ought to own it (for the most part), but also because I think (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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Hi Adam, and greetings from Australia! I don't believe in god. But for many years I thought I did, and came to realise that following god *must* be based on faith. As soon as any conclusive eveidence for his existence shows up, the whole christian (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: LP statement on terrorist attacks
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(...) It sounds like you are assuming that politial party membership is by nature mutually exclusive of other party membership. It might be that way by law (I really have no idea) but it shouldn't be. I agree with some of the stances that each of (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: 10 Cops found alive (and the garbage that has to stop!!!)
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I prob should have directed it to here... (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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(...) It's a nice idea, but since this is a 'War on Terrorism' and terrorist keep popping up where they aren't wanted, it's time to bear down for an extended game of 'Whack a Mole'. (tounge in check, but an interesting visual for me) (...) Well, (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One innocent Palestinian killed + their enraged family and friends + decades of occupation = indefinite hatred and revenge. The same equation may apply for any victim in an unjust situation. The keyword is innocent. (...) See equation above. (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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I have reconsidered, and I conclude that I feel I need to say more. I rarely have a chance to debate religion, as I come from a large Catholic family, and I'm the only one who doesn't attend church, and no one will talk about religion around me, (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure either, but I don't think he has any credibility in claiming that he's just as Libertarian (capital L) as ever; if he were, he surely wouldn't have joined the GOP. It's analogous to a certain former GOP member who's now (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) When you make that non-falsifiable assertion, you are presumably implying that We Cannot Know His Ineffable Plan, and therefore we must assume that everything will work out for Good. However, if We Cannot Know His Plan, then we certainly can't (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) You're welcome. (...) Sorry, I tried to cram too much information into too few words :). I meant to say that if God had prevented the attack, we wouldn't have appreciated its sheer horrific magnitude, since we wouldn't have lived through it. (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Coming together to help those affected by the attack is a good thing. It fosters a humble, generous spirit. (...) The response would probably not have been as dramatic or as widespread. Sometimes it takes a shattering tragedy to shock people (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) You forget that the World Trade Center has a capacity of 50,000. For whatever reason - they were not at work yet, they were able to evacuate, or they were rescued - 45,000 people were not killed. (...) Mercy in a different sense. If the plane (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thank you for explaining in further detail that statement. Although I'm not sure what you mean by "We wouldn't have the perspective of knowing what came next. The accusation might potentially arise because people would not know the true magnitude of (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) But God may have another reason. He may want to use these tragedies to cause people to search for Him. He may also want to warn America against future possible terrorist attacks, which may be even worse than this was. If we are alerted to this (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) We wouldn't have the perspective of knowing what came next. The accusation might potentially arise because people would not know the true magnitude of what was prevented. (...) God is not always obvious about how He intervenes. The evidence we (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. However, when at war you can not check the beliefs and thoughts of every soldier you bomb. The same is true for the citizens of the enemy country that can be harmed by your actions. There are times in which killing a few innocent (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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