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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Arnon writes:
> However, when at war you can not check the beliefs and thoughts of every
> soldier you bomb. The same is true for the citizens of the enemy country that
> can be harmed by your actions.
One innocent Palestinian killed + their enraged family and friends + decades
of occupation = indefinite hatred and revenge. The same equation may apply
for any victim in an unjust situation. The keyword is innocent.
> There are times in which killing a few innocent people is the lesser evil.
See equation above. Can a lesser evil perpetuate a greater evil?
> Would you say the passengers aboard the plane in Pennsylvania that
> resisted and as a consequence finally crashed the plain were wrong?
Of course not, they were fighting for their lives.
> Well, obviously I have a different view of the scale.
> If by "scraps from the what Israel stole" you mean parts of the land of Israel
> then I have to agree. Many Arabs feel that Israel has stolen the land of
> Israel from the Palestinians. I don't agree with that but I do agree that
> indeed, We have absolutely no intention of giving the Palestinians the whole
> land and going somewhere else (to the sea, I guess).
> In fact we will fight until our death before we'll do that. That's not because
> we're fanatics, it's just because we have no other choice.
Forgive my bluntness, but is there justice in a bunch of European Jews,
largely converts, invading and occupying another people *especially on the
trumped up excuse that it was their God-given homeland thousands of years
ago and they've finally "returned?" As if God is a landlord! And how can a
people return when they never really left? The Semetic people of the Holy
Land have remained despite the Romans, Persians, Mongols, Turks and so on.
Despite the clear recognition of being Semetic people, the Arabs have
conveniently been labeled as "transients" by the Zionists. Well, Judaism is
replete with transients, especially a great man named Abraham who came from
the town of Ur in Mesopotamia, now called Iraq.
> As I wrote in my previous letter, I do understand the Palestinian point of
> view.
> Can you say the same? (i.e. Do you understand why we are here and why we feel
> we have no other choice?)
If the point of view is that you ripped out my kidney and transplanted it to
yourself and now cannot give it back or you'll die, then I guess I
understand. Still, it still wasn't your kidney to take.
> Zionism rests on the notion that Jews should have their own state and that
> this state should be in the land of Israel. That's it. No mention of any
> superiority over other people and no problem with other minorities in this
> state. In fact, there are about a million Arab Israeli citizens and other
> minorities in Israel.
Well, Zionists are from the same fundemental branch as the Nazis--National
Socialists. Israel for Jews. Things have changed since, mainly because of
the need for Arab labor.
> Zionism did not start because of anything written in the bible. It started
> because life in Europe became impossible for jews and got it's major boost
> after the Holocaust that proved beyond any doubt that the hatred against jews
> is so great that they really must defend themselves if they want to avoid
> annihilation.
I would never, ever attempt to justify the evil Nazi attrocities but what
previously spawned such resentment for the Jews of Europe? I refuse to
believe that the Jews were just minding their own business, not willfully
doing anything that pissed anyone off. Once again, not a justification for
the Nazis.
> I'm not saying that the jews were always perfect and only the Moslems are to
> blame, but I do believe that the Moslems are the (much) bigger aggressor in
> this case.
But let's be honest: Who invaded who? Who's Semetic and who's European?
> You seem to have a double standard here.
I really don't think so and I hope my previous comments on the rules of
engagement best describe how I view the picture, though I deplore injustice
and violence. I encourage seeking out, recognizing and understanding what
fosters such hatred and not contributing to it.
Thanks,
Dan
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