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(...) My point was that you are lacking objectivity on this issue. Your response does nothing other than prove my point. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. (...) Indeed you have. (...) Larry I hate no one. I read your post on this issue and i see hate. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Amy Hughes" <lugnews@amyhughes.org> wrote in message news:GJotMs.A8t@lugnet.com... (...) Governments hug terrorists everyday. Yasser Arafat was the bin Laden of his day Irish terrorists now sit around the same peace table with those who thought (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't have a problem with a short and sweet black ops kinda thing executed with as close to surgical precision as we can get. I would prefer capture to killing for a variety reasons (i.e. no martyrs, we stay stainless before the world, (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wish I'd seen this earlier. The section I especially relate to is: "The U.S. went to Vietnam to stop the Communist dominos from falling, and the entire region fell to the communists. The U.S. invaded Panama, supposedly to end drug-dealing (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thought this might make interesting reading. It's by Harry Browne (LP) and though I'm a tad more hawkish than he, he makes great points in favor of moderation. (URL) He articulates what he believes, but most importantly answers some of the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I think that's going way too far. Their genes have little if anything to do with what they've done. Sweeping statements like this are unlikely to solve anything, and they just serve to increase hate in the community. How do you think (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Huh??? Yes, I'm against military action. That doesn't mean I'm against action. (...) Because thinking about it now will reduce the needless deaths which will just mount up the longer we leave it. (...) 1. List all the wars in history. 2. Put a (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My apologies. I forgot which emoticon to use to indicate "user is being sarcastic and employing gross exaggeration" :-) Amy (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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First, I want to thank Amy for providing that link to pics from the world, wow... Thanks a lot for making me cry again. :-) Second, on a related note which I am sure is being played out all over the country although I haven't got all the details (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I disagree with Richard and agree with you on this. I have said before that I personally require certain standards of behaviour before I will consider someone as human (and not merely genetically related to me). These terrorists, by my (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was a lot of places (Detroit, Toledo, Ft. Wayne, Indy) on Tuesday and I saw gas prices all over the map. But I never saw 5.64. I DID see a lot of stations in the same place with wildly different prices. I shopped on price. But if I had to I (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think I know what I'm putting on my office door... best LFB (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ack. I usually catch that stuff in editing. It should be "some of the other..." and not the blanket. Actually, the pieces on the flag and on Giuliani were pretty good. The foamers were my immediate consideration. mea culpa. (...) Maybe. But I (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just wanted to share, really says alot: (URL) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not sure I agree. That may be a bit of a broad brush, there are some foamers there, yes, but I did spend a little time reading a number of other columnists that I felt had merit. the guy saying what a swell guy Guliani has been in this has a (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll grant only that we share much genetic material. Maybe even moreso than we do with, say, mold spores. (...) What would you consider a measured response? Perhaps we could invite Bin Laden to a national barbeque and have a huge love- in, (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's a site with forums, that brings up the worst and most twisted of the web for public flogging. Some of the flogging is itself twisted, some of it really indignant, but in general it's just wacky and twisted. They especially pick on Furries (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I thought I was pretty good in answering Ian's post without saying anything about god one way or the other... (except of course if you realise that I don't capitalise his name...) About 5 more posts of the god debate and what little willpower I have (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) addressed what to do if the Taliban, even after being presented with clear and credible evidence (assuming it can be developed) that anyone else would accept, thumbs their nose and says you can't have him. So you're nitpicking against taking (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's a mischaracterization. Read on. (...) Let's be clear here. We are, in case you hadn't noticed, having a bit of a debate about what we ought to do. Militarily, economically, from a foreign policy perspective, you name it. That debate is (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought he was supposed to be good, and love us all. I wouldn't let one of my loved ones be hurt or killed if I could prevent it, and since God is omnipotent, he CAN prevent such tragedies. So why does he not? I can only think of two (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks Amy. Those pictures are very comforting to me. Julie (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't be. I'm glad you did. Personally, even though I'm not a Christian, I'm glad people find comfort in their faiths. It's still an act of human communion--all religion has a basis in people coming together for worship--and that in itself is (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, has .o-t.debate become the busiest ng on LUGNET? I think it's very possible. (...) As it sort of answers your note, I'll make the very important point that not ONE serious historian (outside of those in the USSR and some of its satellites (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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O.K...I fully intended to post just the one thing today, and let the chips fall where they may...I knew I shouldn't have even looked back at LUGNET until tomorrow...I knew people would get into it over my bringing up God at a time like this...you (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The reason is that man acts to benefit man in countless, demonstrable, and tangible ways daily, while this alleged "God" of your has sat on His Divine Butt for two millennia or more without so much as a peep (unless we include the wholly (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On the contrary, I summarised what I think is appropriate action here (URL) but you (and Jason) haven't proposed any concrete plan of your (...) Does "concrete plan" == "the right response"? (...) On the contrary, I think we've just been shown (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Amy, thanks! The world wants to know that America isn't alone! We are all in this together to help our Sister. We are all in some way or another affected by this. It's hard when you are so far away and want to help in some way. Mel My Husband (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My point was that He never obligated Himself to intervene in every circumstance. But He is very active. As some have said, it could have been much worse. Two planes were prevented from hitting their targets. The Pentagon was hit in it's least (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, you never cease to amaze me with the insults you will throw out at anyone who disagrees with you. Pandering - catering to the tastes and desires of others; exploiting their weaknesses. The LP is jumping on a crises situation to promote (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not callous, realistic. War is messy. Some bullets/bombs go astray. I'm not saying it's acceptable - just true. Every death is a tragedy. A deeper tragedy is that men choose evil and cause death needlessly. (...) huh? (...) At a specific time (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I've mirrored a collection of pictures from around the world that came up in discussion on arstechnica.com... (URL) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is Portal of Evil?? (...) Whoa. How can someone be so absolutely 100% correct about something: "Barbara risked having her neck slit to warn the country of a terrorist attack. She was a patriot to the very end." and so absolutely 100% (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah-ha! I see! God wants us to kill these evil people! Is that it? Maybe His plan is to bring the nation and world together? Please, we are coming together to do only two things: help those who have lost family/friends/property in the attack (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The declaration of war on the Barbary Pirates seems to have been constitutional... it's the closest analogue to a declaration of war on "terrorists", I'd say. Our borders were attacked and in this day and age that may require force projection (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That was the goal of the 1993 bombers, who hadn't thought things through nearly so completely. (...) I can't recall if it's cnn.com or cbs.com, but they interviewed five or six members of the design team who are still alive (the prime (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like that idea. I just thought we did it already. Palestine was partitioned into Israel and Jordan, wasn't it? Why wasn't that satisfactory? Israel was a lot smaller than Jordan too. (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I saw this on Portal of Evil yesterday. But along with that was similarly scary hatemongering from Ann Coultier (go figure): (URL) If this doesn't make you shiver at what some of our own countrymen would have us become, nothing will. (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I acknowledge this is a morbid line to go down, but.. I'm fairly sure that if the planes had had dry tanks instead of full transcontinental loads of Jet-A, the towers would still be standing... the impacts didn't do enough damage to cause the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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