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| | | All, Let me first say that this post is from an AFOL that happens to know quite a bit about the Microsoft relationship. Brad is putting together a post to talk about the details of the alliance as we speak. However, in the meantime, I want to calm (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general) !
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Jeff Johnston
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| | | | | (...) Thanks, Jake. While I'm hardly a Microsoft fan (the only reason we have a Windoze machine in the house is because my wife wants to be able to play her computer games) I think the reaction here was way overboard and based on panic attack rather (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | Jake, I am sorry but you should know better. First off not all of us think MS is the "Devil" nor did most of us participate in the conversation. You should know better than anyone that people will always discuss dissenting/negative views more (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | (...) I'm pretty sure that was a joke referencing Micro$oft's claim that Internet Explorer was an integral part of Window$. At least, that's how it seemed to me. Likewise the posts talking about how "New bricks will not be compatible with old (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Frank Buiting
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| | | | | (...) Actually I haven't noticed it ealier (I jump straight to the news.lugnet.com), I agree with you Jake, calling names doesn't sound very professional. A headline like this tends to push the discussion in a negative direction. It's okay when in (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message news:G79H04.34L@lugnet.com... (...) So the devil got to you too eh? They're here, they're here! trust no one! :-) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Kirby Warden
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| | | | | (...) I'm not so sure you helped a whole lot. Please, I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I'll explain. I won't assume anything about you personnaly here, I just want to explain why I think the feedback became so negative. As a collective, (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Frank Buiting
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| | | | | | | (...) AFAIK there is no official mention of the two companies merging or MS buying TLC, please point me to the source of this info otherwise this is one of the 'wild speculations' Jake was talking about. <snipped all the stuff about merging (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Kirby Warden
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| | | | | | | | (...) Maybe I should have wrote more, maybe I should have wrote less. With regards to my use of the word "merger", I used it to describe the shared direction that Microsoft and Lego have taken. In essence they have merged, although on an official (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) An agreement to exchange some technology and marketting is nowhere near a merger. If that was a "merger", there probably would effectively be a monopoly, a single "company" would serve the whole world. (...) Yes, I've come to expect that (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general) !!
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Frank Buiting
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Yup, that's what I'm afraid of. (...) I fully agree with Frank Filz here. I usually try to stay out of many discussions (I rather post info or answer peoples' questions) but this thread caught my attention because it expresses exactly what I (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —William Brumbach
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| | | | | | | | | (...) This wouldn't be why everyone left RTL en masse is it? or why I only post obnoxiuous one-liners instead of epic posts? junior (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —William Brumbach
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) nnggahhh I can't believe I spelled obnoxious wrong! junior (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I started reading RTL again. There are one or two people out there. It's very warm and cozy in here, whatever is bubbling over on the radiator. (24 years ago, 17-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | "Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:3A648DEA.7A79@m...ing.com... (...) So am I. I think that if we want to see stuff from LEGO, we need to be a bit more welcoming of their efforts. Most of the negative feedback LEGO gets here (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | Well said, Tim and Frank... (...) <snip> It is instructive to look at other fan/hobby forums. The most productive relationships between fans and their annointed companies happen when the company embraces the fans as having valid ideas and in turn (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Bryan Kinkel
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| | | | | | | "Kirby Warden" <inourimage@msn.com> wrote in message news:G79JMx.B3B@lugnet.com... (...) get (...) Kirby, I'm sure there are lots of reasons why Jake cannot post everyday to Lugnet. For example: - The day to day demands and responsibilities of his (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | Hey, Kirby, Reading Lugnet every day, even long enough to scan the titles, is hazardous to getting any work done. How would you like it if YOUR boss berated you for not working at home too? -Erik (who gets paged at home about every day) (24 years ago, 17-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —James Wilson
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| | | | | It was me (I ?) that posted that, and I stand by it. It is based on the behavior of Microsoft in the past with respect to competitors or enhancers to MS-DOS and later Windows. It has happened many times: a developer writes a cool utility or (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | (...) Jake, thanks for stepping forward and clarifying some of the concerns that have been raised. This is good to hear, and I think it's a very good sign to hear this coming from an AFOL who "made it inside." (...) Of course Microsoft isn't the (...) (24 years ago, 16-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Charles Eric McCarthy
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| | | | | | | (...) [snip] Awesome answer, Todd! In particular, I'm glad you called Jake on this one: (...) [snip] (...) [snip] (...) Quite so! /Eric McC/ (sorry for a "me too" post!) (24 years ago, 17-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | Snipped a lot of good, levelheaded discussion so I could pick on the less good, less levelheaded. (...) I don't see this comment as useful in the context of this particular discussion, even with the smiley. It shows your strong anti MS bias which I (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Clearly it was meant jocosely. (...) I should hope so. --Todd (24 years ago, 22-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G7CyBq.E9K@lugnet.com... (...) I (...) an (...) Well, I for one think "political correctness" is getting way to restrictive. Why shouldn't Todd have as much right to express his (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Hearhear! I don't bitchwhine'n'moan when people go pure MS on their sites, even though I have personally been through the "MS-assimilate-or-destroy" process twice. If Todd wants to be anti-MS in any way, that is HIS choice, just as it would be (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) And why shouldn't I have the right to point out irrational anti MS bias? Especially when it's posted in a non useful way, as I said. Todd does have a special responsibility to keep the line between his private persona and his public one (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | Whoops, typo: Fix this: Is he claiming that's the view of the membership as a whole? It certainly isn't. I'm pretty sure it is, but clarity is essential. to read: Is he claiming that's the view of the membership as a whole? It certainly isn't. I'm (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... (values of TLC) —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke
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| | | | | | (...) sorry to jump into this thread a week later. I'm basically in lugnet.trains and at www.1000steine.de/forum/ [snip] (...) This point has been discussed in the German community alot. I think most Germans are of the opinion that TLC really has a (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 7171 tolerance (was: Not at all a pact with the devil... (values of TLC)) —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | Reinhard "Ben" Beneke <r.beneke@tu-bs.de> wrote in message news:G7MAJA.1Lt@lugnet.com... (...) I just checked this out, cos I hadnt seen a 7171 before. It's difficult to tell conclusively from the image, but it looks to me like the studs still line (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 7171 tolerance (was: Not at all a pact with the devil... (values of TLC)) —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | (...) This bracket part is in many sets. I think what occurs is this: The 1x2 plate on top is quite precisely a 1x2 plate. If you stack 1x2 plates on top of the example given, you will see how close they fit the bracket However, the surface is not (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 7171 tolerance (was: Not at all a pact with the devil... (values of TLC)) —Erik Olson
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| | | | | | | (...) This bracket part is in many sets. I think what occurs is this: The 1x2 plate on top is quite precisely a 1x2 plate. If you stack 1x2 plates on top of the example given, you will see how close they fit the bracket However, the surface is not (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 7171 tolerance (was: Not at all a pact with the devil... (values of TLC)) —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke
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| | | | | | (...) If this was the only bended or wrong sized Lego® brick, I could live with that, but take a look at the complete folder of this gallery: none of these bricks has same quality as they have had in the past. :-( (URL) these are just a few out of (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 7171 tolerance (was: Not at all a pact with the devil... (values of TLC)) —William Brumbach
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| | | | | | (...) I just keep looking at your IVAR shelves wondering when my Ikea is going to get in a shipment of corner units. junior (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 7171 tolerance (was: Not at all a pact with the devil... (values of TLC)) —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | | | William Brumbach wrote in message ... (...) IVAR rules! Larry P and I both use it too (I've been buying it for 20 years, since it was called UFFE). Kevin ---...--- Victorian House: Limited edition kit (URL) Kits & Custom Lego models: (URL) store: (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 7171 tolerance (was: Not at all a pact with the devil... (values of TLC)) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) IKEA does mail order. Or did. Sort of The problem is that it's sort of a do it yourself process. We got our first Ivar this way, from the Philadelphia store, 7 years ago now. We did it by calling and asking if we could order, there was no (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general, lugnet.storage)
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| | | | | | | | IVAR (was a bunch of other stuff: the devil, anti-MS, tolerance, etc.) —William Brumbach
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| | | | | | (...) My fault for being so newsgroup unsaavy, I didn't consider the ensuing thread. I went to the website you can't order from there and I don't have the catalogue. I live in Center City Philadelphia so getting there isn't an issue but the corner (...) (24 years ago, 24-Jan-01, to lugnet.storage)
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| | | | | | | | Re: IVAR (was a bunch of other stuff: the devil, anti-MS, tolerance, etc.) —Christopher Tracey
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| | | | | | Have you asked your IKEA to order it for you. There usually pretty good about getting stuff in. They ordered an IVAR cabinet that I 'needed' for me and guarented I would have it before I moved to an area where the closest IKEA is 4 hours away (in (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.storage)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Matthias Jetleb
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| | | | | On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:14:28 GMT, "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote: Greetings, and thanks for trying to calm the storm. Although I think it's more of a tempest in a teapot. Comment #1 - and I say this with a grin on my face and a (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Jeff Johnston
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| | | | | | (...) How much more do you need? The press release said that LEGO would be developing games for the Xbox, not that Microsoft would take over making LEGO games. Nobody thought that Sony was merging with LEGO when Rock Raiders came out for the PSX... (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Alex Farlie
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| | | | | (...) OK.. (...) Well in the case of IBM 'it woz robbed' ;-) of its 'evil' status in popular opnion by the ongoing hysteria about the other firms... (...) OK so MSN is a content provider... (...) Besides I am not sure Windows Ce would run on (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Marc Nelson, Jr.
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| | | | | Jake- Thanks for bringing a little sanity and actual fact to this discussion. I am incredibly sick of all the self-righteous whining about a software company being 'evil'. I think some people need to open a history book or even turn on the nightly (...) (24 years ago, 17-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) brick. (...) increasing (...) While I agree, there is no evidence as to which is the cause & which is effect. Did diversification cause cash-flow problems, or is it slated as a possible solution? Do you have any light to shed, Jake? Regards, (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Josh Opotzner
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| | | | | (...) <Gasp!> you don't mean...no, it can't be, uh...we are not dealing with the devil here, oh NO, you can't be seri...ack! No, it can't be...the most pure and astonishing concentration of evil... The Devils WIFE??!!! I need help... --Josh (24 years ago, 18-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Suzanne D. Rich
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| | | | (...) [snip] (?) -Suz (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) Are you questioning that Jake is an AFOL? Or that he might know something about the deal? Search for posts he's written. He appears to be an AFOL (as much as Todd appears to be someone who runs awesome parts auctions), and appears to have been (...) (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | (...) I think Suzanne's intent was probably to indicate that we were still waiting for the post that Brad was "putting together...as we speak". eric (24 years ago, 25-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Not at all a pact with the devil... —Suzanne D. Rich
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| | | | (...) Absolutely not. I merely quoted his message from its beginning to the point I was interested in. sorry it wasn't clear. I'll try again: (...) ^^^...^^^ (?) -Suz (?) = confusion (24 years ago, 26-Jan-01, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)
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