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| | | (...) of reading another thread ((URL)), and I have to say that I really like the November winner, submitted by mojo_z, 14, of Canada. That is, I like the model, probably because it's MINE. It's the Trojan Horse that won the grand prize in Joe (...) (25 years ago, 21-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Tamyra Teed
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| | | | | I see 2 pics up and they are both yours Susan, I would definately contact Lego about this, Especially if the kid won some prize. I would hope they would contact him and talk to the parents and get the prize taken away. To bad someone didn't notice (...) (25 years ago, 21-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | (...) Absolutely, I would send them e-mail, and also a letter. (...) Is there a prize? If so, I would press copyright violation charges (since the winner earned money which by rights should have been yours). follow-ups to: lugnet.publish (25 years ago, 21-Jan-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Doug Dropeskey
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| | | | Susan Hoover <hoover@compuserve.com> wrote in message news:8EC2861C8rumple....63.236... (...) Perhaps I was a bit presumptuous but I emailed TLC, explaining that you had been plagiarized and asking that they quickly resolve this issue by pulling the (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | I think you done good. If TLC wants us to respect their IP, they have to respect ours too. Now, it's true that posting a model to their site grants certain IP rights but they need to consider how to effectively prevent copied models. (25 years ago, 24-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Susan Hoover
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| | | | | | (...) I said as much in my letter to them. :-) (...) However, if the model and images weren't mojo_z's to begin with, then he doesn't own any IP rights that he can grant to others. In my letter to TLC (which is called TLG on the Theme Gallery rules (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Tamyra Teed
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| | | | | | You will let us know what they said about the letter I'm sure :) Hope everything works out for the better! Think about this, I do believe we need someone to keep an eye on this site on a regular basis to make sure this doesn't happen again. I (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Tony Priestman
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| | | | | | | On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Mookie (<388E6181.28DD3F5B@....att.net>) wrote at 02:52:49 (...) I haven't looked, so I can't comment on the rules, but rather than getting all formal, they could just say that the submission must include a picture of the (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Susan Hoover
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| | | | | | | | (...) I thought about suggesting that, but I dismissed it as a bad idea, as it might attract kidnappers or child pornographers or something. (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Tony Priestman
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| | | | | | | | On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Susan Hoover (<8EC76843Erumplestx...8.63.236>) wrote at 15:49:58 (...) Well, they wouldn't have to display the 'proof' picture, just have it as evidence. One would hope that they've got internal procedures for stuff like (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | (...) But how would they know that the kid pictured was the kid who sent in the application? The safest way to determine that no cheating has taken place might be to cache every LEGO image on the internet and compare using image recognition. A (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Tony Priestman
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| | | | | | | | | On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Richard Franks (<FozIrM.FA1@lugnet.com>) wrote at 08:11:46 (...) They don't know that *now*. Anyone can say they're a 14yo. Like I said, it can be faked, but you can't just steal a picture of a model and submit it. (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) Maybe applicants could contact Lego in advance of model submission, and Lego could then send a visually distinctive (by color, perhaps, or image pattern?) voucher that must appear in the picture with the prospective model. This probably isn't (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Tamyra Teed
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| | | | | | | | (...) I would say more cost effective than having lawyers sic'd on em.. The way they get about someone invading their rights, they should expect the same from someone who's rights they violate with this. Granted it's not their fault in some (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Mike Poindexter
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| | | | | | | | | Mookie <Mookie1@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:38905CA0.1E3284...att.net... (...) I would say not. Is a single AFOL going to sue TLC? No way! They already have lawyers on salary, so it isn't going to run up their bills as fast as the (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | Mike Poindexter wrote in message ... (...) route (...) The (...) just (...) Just (...) to (...) Actually, I think if you had a good solid case (which I think this particular instance is), I think you'd find you would do quite well. I don't know (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) I don't want to start a range war or anything but I DO want to say that, whatever TLC's other faults, I don't see their lawyers as NEARLY as bad as a lot of other firms. I really feel their fair play policy is a model of reasonableness and we (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's true--I wasn't very precise in wording my earlier post, either. TLC lawyers are indeed remarkably cool about web-posting images and scans. I was referring more to materials that they decide are "off limits" and the vigor with which they (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Bang Bang (was Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | Dave(bang) said: (...) And I'll see your ! and raise you one. Amen!! (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Bang Bang (was Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) D'oh! Too rich for my blood. I'm out! Dave. (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Susan Hoover
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| | | | | | | (...) Here is the letter that I received in full: "Hello, Thank you for the e-mail! Someone else has written in about this so called Winner in November. We will have to see what happens. Best regards" The letter that I sent was much longer. (...) I (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | Susan Hoover wrote in message <8EC773C68rumplestx@...63.236>... (...) That's a pretty limp letter from a corporation which is currently violating a copy right. They also should have been able to investigate the claim and have already removed the (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Doug Dropeskey
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| | | | | | | | | Frank Filz <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:FoyLt9.9y8@lugnet.com... (...) violating (...) The reply I received (which I passed on to Susan) was very similar and equally compact but a bit more positive. At least someone has acknowedged (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) Agreed--especially considering the zeal with which they protect their own "intellectual properties." Dave! (25 years ago, 27-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Jonathan Wilson
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| | | | | | (...) I aggree with this. It also means that parents have the final say on whether kids submit their models to the contest, especailly if they have to submit some personal details as well. -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 28-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Jeff Johnston
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| | | | | | (...) Of course, this assumes that the parents are honest themselves, or at least care whether or not their kid does something unethical like submitting someone else's creation to a LEGO Web Page. I mean, the kid has to have learned that such (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Steve Hodge
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| | | | | | | (...) Not just unethical, illegal. (...) Actually I think school is a more likely source. I don't recall many discussions about copyright violations happening at home in my childhood. Regards, Steve Hodge (25 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Colin Gutierrez
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think he was referring to taking credit for someone else's work in general, not violating copyrights. --Colin __ __ __ __ __ __ | |_| |_| |_| | | |_| | | | Brick Engineer | | | Colin R Gutierrez | __ __ __ __ | 2000 | |___...___|| |_| |_| (...) (25 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Troy Cefaratti
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| | | | | | (...) *somewhere*. (...) I don't think it is so much that the parents teach the kids that this type of behavior is OK as it is that they DON'T bother to teach them that it is NOT OK. Just an observation from a non-parent, but quite a few parents (...) (25 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Plagiarism again (Was: Can we say, "Plagiarism"?) —Susan Hoover
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| | | | (...) [snipped story of stolen November 1999 Theme Gallery winner at (URL)] (...) Thanks, Tamy, Frank, and Doug. I have also e-mailed LEGO at the only address I could find, webclub@lego.com. So far I have not gotten a reply, and my model is still up (...) (25 years ago, 25-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Resolved! (Was: Plagiarism again) —Susan Hoover
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| | | | (...) I checked earlier today, and my model was still there, but I just checked again, and it's been taken down. The November winner is now a cute dragon that looks like it was done by a 5-year-old, and in fact a 5yo is credited with its design. (...) (25 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Resolved! (Was: Plagiarism again) —Charles Eric McCarthy
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| | | | (...) Wouldn't you prefer that your model win the November contest over some other model? Subject to your approval of course, I think they should have left the model there, and switched the credit and prize from the plagarist to you. Although it (...) (25 years ago, 29-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: Resolved! (Was: Plagiarism again) —Susan Hoover
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| | | | (...) No, actually. I read the rules of the contest and the T&C very carefully before I sent them my e-mail of complaint. According to their rules, they claim to own the copyright on anything you submit. In my letter to them, I told them that I did (...) (25 years ago, 31-Jan-00, to lugnet.general)
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