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Somebody had to reply...granted it didn't have to me but... I saw LOTR on the 17th of December 11:59pm atlantic time (in return for a small rural island with one cinema we get the first general showings of a (...) NZ is beautiful. Tolkien's story (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) The juvenile exchanges between Aragorn and Legolas were bad enough, but as the movie progressed, I started to get downright p/o'd. Faramir "captures" Frodo and starts bringing him back towards Minas Tirith? Treebeard is a halfwit who has to be (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) Honestly. You people would complain if you were hung with a new rope. :) I am just extremely greatful we've gotten what we have. Though I must say leaving out so many important stuff from the first film just to stick it in the DVD (which I (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) Hey! I love that music, and all the sound effects, and all the voice actors! I have replayed them daily for .. um .. 26 years! Scary, huh? (plays Sting sound effect - oops, Time Warner deleted that from the movies.) Actually Elrond is a bit of (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Well, that's one negative vote against millions of positive. Not to say that you're wrong, but let's remember that the film is an adaptation, and Almighty Tolkien penned more than his fair share of terrible dialogue, and he was frankly far to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) Yeah, Theoden was a bit different and less likeable in the movie. The one part I really didn't like concerning Theoden was Gandalf et all's entrance into the throne room. Zillions of armed guards, but Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas can fight 'em (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) My son loved it and it got him to read "The Hobbit", so it can't be all bad! Lucas wins the goofy-names contest hands down. Tolkien, on the other hand, wins the tedious and confusing names contest: Melkor, also known as Morgoth, and named "The (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Actually, that was exactly from the book: Aragorn fights them off single-handed (and it was not *all* nine of them in either the book or movie). But Tolkien made it clearer that the Nazgul felt their work was being down by the morgul-blade and (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) *if implied that the protagonist fights nine enemies at once* Sorry to say, but how fictitious can it get? One person to fend off against nine opponents single handedly, and still miraculously emerge prevalent? Sounds deftly similar to the (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) But it's only five antagonists, and they are sort of blind due to the color process which separates them from the real world so they really only have eyes for nabbing Frodo on the ground. While Aragorn is on home ground, has a big sword and a (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) Too bad some people just can't help but exalt and rave over the trilogy. Sheesh, can people ever stop complaining about the 'dialogue problems' or 'improper adaption' and 'lack of adherence to the original storyline'?!!! Let me sum this into (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Okay, let me get this straight. This -almighty- sauron sends out five robed people, that he knows cannot see well, and consequently wouldn't make for very good attack forces. Anyway, he sends them out to kill frodo, so they float around nearly (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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Okay, you just need to read the book and get it firsthand. The Ringwraiths are sort of blind because they're dead. Well undead to be precise. They ride regular horses which are raised from colts in the presence of evil so they're not scared of evil (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) Quite a bit. That's why they call it fiction. ;) (...) While the Black Riders may appear weak or useless on some levels, don't forget that they are strong in other areas. They can almost 'smell' the ring... and the power that it carries. Not (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) Did you mean "it", not "if"? And which, the book or the movie? The answer would be no and neither, since both clearly indicate five. (...) He gets the drop on them while their attention is focused on Frodo. And as explained, they were simply (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) From the book: ---...--- [Strider speaking:] 'Let us take this wood that is set ready for the fire as a sign. There is little shelter or defence here, but fire shall serve for both. Sauron can put fire to his evil uses, as he can all things, (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) Yup, pretty much as I said (I got to butcher The Fellowship of the Ring long before Jackson did, but I claim - rightly or wrongly - the excuse that a computer game requires more liberties than a movie). ;-) (...) Walked off? "Pardon me, you (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) I'll agree on the computer game part-- those almost always need LOTS of liberties. Unless you want a boring game... (...) I guess the beauty of the book is that it doesn't actually describe the scene. In my mind, I see Strider leaping out, (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) I think a little more active defense of Frodo is implied, and Aragorn already stated that the Nazgul don't like fire, but surely they gave ground quickly because they felt they could afford to be patient. At the same time, I rather imagine (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) Yeah, in the book, it's really the only acknowledged 'harm' that comes to the Nazgul in the scene-- the one swipe that Frodo takes at them. In the movie, it's all Aragorn... (...) That's my guess as well. It was a great chance for Jackson to (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) Anyway, lots of geeky conversation. How would everyone like to hear my intrepretation of it? Okay, here goes. *this is meant for humorous purpose only* So, anyway, after chapter twelve, we find out that Frodo used to be a proprietor an (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) If the Nine are as bad as everyone fears, then why would anything short of Sauron's will stop them from grabbing the Ring while they had the chance? At the end of the scene in the book I was left with the sense that they left solely so that (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) Just curious. Was this a throw-away comment, or did you really find the visuals to be that bad? And were there particular continuity errors you noticed? After watching hours of the behind-the-scenes stuff, and knowing how they did it (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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(...) As in he took the cheap route by going for a splashy combat sequence. The continuity problem is that several wraiths were torched but there they were in the next sequence riding hell-for-leather for the ford none the worse for their (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I generally suspect that Aragorn makes the Wraiths nervous. He's sort of magical in his own right, and if he wielded the Ring himself, there might be a chance that he *COULD* defeat the Nazgul. Plus the fire made them nervous. Plus the fact (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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Hey All, As much as I love the Lord of the Rings, Tolkien, etc. shouldn't this discussion be in the off-topic newsgroup? Josh (22 years ago, 12-Jan-03, to lugnet.castle)
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Allan, You hit the nail on the head. The kind of fanatical nit-picking by fanatics of the books is the main reason I cannot continue to read the alt.fan.tolkien newsgroup. There is no joy to be found there, only the most self-serving perseverating (...) (22 years ago, 13-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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In lugnet.off-topic.fun, David Simmons writes (after some snippage): (...) Extremely well said, Dave and Allan! One never knows whether to trust the material one gets on DVDs as filler and background but I for one really have to believe what Jackson (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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