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(...) Yes. Ok, now for absolute clarity. The set is called SXXXX-YY.mpd (complete package) A model within the set is called SXXXXa.dat A submodel of a model is called SXXXXa1.dat But a submodel of a one model set would be called ?? would it be (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) No. If these models are MPD format, the first line of an mpd is going to be 0 Name: 7140-99.dat to denote the dat filename. A program can easily pick it up once they give model titles to look at the second line. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) What about the following, considering a set with instructions for one or more alternate models as well: sXXXX-YY.dat display file, XXXX is the set number, YY is the year, shows all models and alternate models, possibly with 0 CLEAR inbetween. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Like Tim, I prefer S because a model could be part of a set. (...) I strongly advise that we switch lines one and two so that this shows up on the first line as the title of the dat file. We should also include the official name of the theme. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) as (...) depth. (...) as (...) can be used (...) individual (...) Service (...) and the (...) models up in (...) Lego set, a (...) OK I can live with that. (...) c...etc. let the (...) appearing in the (...) Do you have to have everything that (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) between a (...) (commmonly known as (...) number, or a (...) the model and (...) be omitted. (...) cause some (...) Exactly! :) OK, I guess we've reached the decision that the first letter is to be S instead of M. What I had origonally done (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Thought - with this system, how are you going to distinguish between a model (component in a set) and a component of a model (commmonly known as submodel)? There should then be two letters after the set number, or a letter and a number (ie. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I would agree with all except this. My reason is because 'set' can be used to refer to the entire package, where 'model' would refer to individual items within a set. ie. Terminal, Airplane, Helicopter, and Service Vehicle for an airport set. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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OK since the header seems to be a problem I will use set 7130 as an example and I will explain each part of the header in depth. 0 Name: M7130-99.dat 0 Snowspeeder 0 Author: Ryan Dennett 0 Official Model Repository OK line one: M stands for model, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) The submodel and model are the same thing by your definition. I agree with keeping 'model' as the term for this and use submodel to replace component in definition. (...) No need to put 'first model' in there. The other file eader would be: 0 (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Yes. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I am going to strongly go with the MPD download myself. (...) Hmmm.... that is a good thought.... I would go for that, since they could theoretically take the place of instructions. -Tim Courtney ldraw.org Project Coordinator (URL) timcourtne (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I don't want to intrude too much in this debate, but John has a very good point. Whatever you decide to do, do NOT use just a number-only file name. That is guaranteed to cause problems with part files. -- Terry K -- (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I suggest that this or other simmilar lines about the model go on the *first* line of the file, as that is the normal place for the title of a DAT file. That way, if LDAO or some other utility is ever improved to show the title of the model, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) What's the difference between your definition of model and submodel? Is this correct for the Red Bird Rig (Model Team don't know the number) 1st model: truck w/ plane submodels: tractor trailer plane 2nd model: jeep w/ racecar submodels: jeep (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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"jonathan wilson" <wilsonj@xoommail.com> 140.dat (...) For neatness's sake, I think we shoud keep the capitalization clean: 0 Set: <set num> <Theme> <Model Name> <year> 0 Name: <filename> 0 Author: <Name> <<email>> 0 Official LEGO Group Model 0 (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I would greatly prefer ZIP and/or MPD (I just thought of another idea for LDLite (sorry gyug): ZIP support). I think inlining makes it too difficult to follow the building process. About following the building process, will it be required that (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Wouldn't adding the year take care of this? Or you could take the pause/lugnet approach: s6938-1.dat s6938-2.dat etc.. submodels of this set could be: s6938-1a.dat s6938-1b.dat etc.. It just barely fits in the 8.3 format, but it would probably (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) and (...) send them if (...) we can to get (...) Tim, I'm the person who was supposed to be helping with the reviewing and editting so that 'we' also refers to me. Who else was willing to help? I'll still review and edit, but could someone (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Typically, sets with duplicate numbers have nothing to do with each other.[1] So it isn't really accurate to consider one set as an alternate of the other. Steve 1) There are exceptions, where variations of a set are available, such as 6938, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I agree. Although having both the instructions and the set is infinitely better than having neither the instructions nor the set, a set can probably be *checked* having only the instructions and not the set, to an accuracy of 99% or higher (if (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I would have to say that to check these it would be highly reccommended that you have the actual set. but again, that depends on the size and complexity of the model. Obviously just instructions would do for a small car, but might not for say (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) If they're related or not is beyond me, but someone could investigate the duplicates to look for similarities. The duplicates are never in production at the same time, so they are a few years apart at the least. They could be of the same theme (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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John VanZwieten wrote in message ... (...) set (...) different (...) only (...) "T7140a_1". I (...) how (...) What if we would consider the content of a duplicate set as alternate models of the same set numbers. Eg. 7140 is duplicate set then, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That's a great question. Someone with only the instructions ought to be able to find suspicious looking things (e.g., potential mistakes), but probably can't prove something to be 100.00% correct. Some LEGO instruction booklets do contain (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Ahh, nope, I'm not. Well, not exactly. There are two different ways to look at "uninlining": one view is that it's simply removing the extra code, and restoring the original reference statement. This approach works, as long as you have the (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Good thinking on this, but there is one problem not addressed: duplicate set numbers. For this we will need at least one character to distinguish different sets with the same number. But this puts us over the 8+3 characters. The only character we (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Tim, Using the set number only is a problem, especially for part authors. In my models directory, a number-only file means a part I'm working on, while models are indicated with a preceding "m". -John Van Tim Courtney <tim@zacktron.com> wrote in (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) model repository, I (...) made any TLG models (...) email them to me (...) set number as the (...) set number and ** (...) M7140-99 for (...) that it is a (...) Yes, we had, and to explain why; some people might have unofficial parts in their (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) and ** (...) I believe Papp Imre's file naming system would be more complete here. (...) I agree with your choice on the model name. We could also use that to include sub-theme and theme for people who do not know the catalogs as well as (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) You are correct here. (...) Probably a (very) good idea. (...) I don't think it is at all. I think you're right on with this file system. From what I've skimmed (sorry, I'm busy this morning) you have done an excellent job at coming up with a (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Ryan and I had decided on M####-**, where #### stood for the set number and ** stood for the last two digits of the year it was released (i.e. M7140-99 for the X-Wing). The date would be replaced by a letter to denote that it is a submodel. (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Dear Tim, I agree with idea to standardize the TLG model header and filename. Some comments: Tim Courtney wrote in message ... (...) 1. If we use the plain set number as filename, this may lead to confusion, because I'm sure there are identical part (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) do you need to own the set to be able to check it? or would the instructions suffice? (...) 0 7140 x-wing fighter 0 author: Jonathan Wilson 0 Official Model (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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In order to begin assembling the ldraw.org official (TLG) model repository, I need to begin collecting TLG models in Ldraw. If you have made any TLG models you would be willing to contribute to the repository, please email them to me in .dat or .mpd (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jun-99, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad, lugnet.admin.general)
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All needed donations for ldraw.org have been recieved. Thanks to all of you who have donated: Larry Pieniazek Terry Keller Mike Stanley Jean-Pierre Paris Lars Hassing John VanZwieten The money will be taken care of soon and sent off to Todd to (...) (25 years ago, 10-Jun-99, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad, lugnet.admin.general)
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I need to ask for help from those of you who have created utilities that are designed for use with LDraw or LDraw .dat format files. ldraw.org will be offering a centralized download section for these utilities. If you have created one of these (...) (25 years ago, 10-Jun-99, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Oh, right. Sorry. THAT IS AN INTERESTING IDEA. (1) :-) -- Terry K -- 1. Do I tend to over-emphasise things? (25 years ago, 8-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hmmm. I wonder where the emphasis goes in that sentence.... Steve (25 years ago, 8-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That is an interesting idea. -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 7-Jun-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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