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(...) I would like to suggest a "down-light" option. Enough downlights could moderate a post into oblivion. Then you would truly have a representation of the "community" opinion on something. I've been thinking about such a system all week, just (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) Seems worthy of exploration. The downside is that an important but unpopular message might get downchecked pretty badly. (...) Interesting proposal. the threshold is somewhat reminiscent of the slashdot karma functionality, if you run at +5 (...) (20 years ago, 26-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) That could be overcome by a mechanism where admins can block a message from being downchecked. -Tim (20 years ago, 27-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) That's okay--say the community isn't enlightened about certain topics. If they unvote "important" topics, it can't be that "important" as a result. What that really says is, we're gonna institute a mechanized form of mob rule. If it's gonna be (...) (20 years ago, 27-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) That defies the purpose, Tim. That's still saying an admin, a person chosen for ambiguous reasons, should have power. Those reasons could be for being a loudmouth, for being the guy who happened to be there, the guy who other admins felt was (...) (20 years ago, 27-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) True but it seems that (although I admit I have little experience with collaborative filtering systems) revenge and retribution would be much easier to pull off. For example, I dislike someone so in revenge I get 20 of my friends to downcheck (...) (20 years ago, 27-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) Some old-timers may remember (URL) this thread>. --Todd (20 years ago, 27-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) Didn't it used to work like that? Tim (20 years ago, 27-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) You assume that the membership is representative of the community.(?) (...) You forget that this is the friendliest place on the internet! ;) (...) Hmm. Perhaps Kerry should be "eliminated forever". ;) Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 27-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) Yes. You need to put some skin in the game, somewhere. Sure, you could allow "registered" users to downlight, but personally, I'd leave it to members, people who care enough to put the smallest of donations in. Calum (20 years ago, 27-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) Far worse than that-- "members who vote". Most members don't bother. The highest rated thread I've ever seen got all of, what? 20-something votes? Highest I can find on a cursory search is: 22 spotlights, 3 highlights: (URL) spotlights, 0 (...) (20 years ago, 27-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I'm not saying that all of the community should be allowed to vote. However, I'd like to point out that you are now assuming that only members have donated to LUGNET. I know that is quite wrong; I'm not, and I have. ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 27-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) the only effect it seems to have is to push something onto the top stories list. People highlight because they think a post deserves more attention. So once a story gets onto the top stories list, people stop highlighting it. If there was a (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Probably to an extent. Still makes me curious though. I would be interested to see the "friends" distribution and "vote fequency" distribution across Lugnet members. I expect that many people vote for their friends and fellow LUG members' (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I could speculate - but I really have no idea. My guess is that its bifurcated as below - highlighting of MOCs vs highlighting of "issues". (...) Yes, you are probably right about that one.... (...) Here's my top 10 (no particular order) list (...) (20 years ago, 31-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) ... (...) Reading via mail/news - voting was never implemented for those readers. (20 years ago, 31-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) How many people read LUGNET like that? Would it be worth it to implement voting for those readers? Or are the non technical factors more significant? (20 years ago, 31-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I don't know the stats for people reading via NNTP, but according to the lugnet.admin.statistics posts, there's about 3000 SMTP users - more than the number of members (people who can vote right now). (20 years ago, 31-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Yup, that's my number one reason for not voting. Until the web interface tracks what I have read and allows me to manage it, I will fundamentally continue to read by NNTP. Frank (20 years ago, 31-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Voting via email might be possible, although annoying and pretty unsecure. A reply by default just goes to the list. You'd have to somehow send your member ID (and password!) and a flag that says "I'm spotlighting this" via SMTP that would get (...) (20 years ago, 31-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I think you're right that there is a tendency to not bother if something is already on the top-ten list. A couple of other possible reasons: -don't highlight outside of chosen theme (i.e. the "I'm a castle guy so I don't care about space" or (...) (20 years ago, 31-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I think it was less the ACTUAL time it took and more of the "maybe" time it took. Despite that you might check out a MOC for the same amount of time as you might spend skimming a website, an entire website is a lot more to take in. So I think (...) (20 years ago, 31-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Stats for 2004: Total posts via logged in web users: 34,682 Total posts by NNTP/SMTP/non-logged in users: 62,036 Unique web members: 597 Unique non-logged-in posting members: 1,685 So, about 1/4 of the posters are posting 1/2 of the content (...) (20 years ago, 31-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Good point, but I would expand "people in your LUG" to include people who post heavily in your favorite forums. There are a lot of people (heck, I've never been to a brickfest, so pretty much everyone on Lugnet) that I've never met in person, (...) (20 years ago, 31-Jan-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) This is a very important consideration - I think there is a big difference between voting for a particular contest, and highlighting just to bring something to broader attention. (20 years ago, 1-Feb-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Hmmmn. I don't know what to make of those numbers - except that its a very high number people who just don't see the "highlighting" drilldown. SUGGESTION Clearly Todd already has * a way of highlighting posts * parsing emails to take actions * (...) (20 years ago, 1-Feb-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) Well, the issue would really be authenticating the user as a member, and making sure the message didn't get posted if they composed it incorrectly. Since only members are allowed to vote (and when viewing from SMTP/NNTP you can't see (...) (20 years ago, 1-Feb-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. No way would you want someone to send a password in plain text. (...) That's what I was thinking - same as current posting authentication. (...) Hmmn. Good point; this could be (mostly) addressed during the authentication stage: For (...) (20 years ago, 1-Feb-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Simple, timely and sentimental - makes sense to me. Also, highlights are about the post, not the MOC. One could argue that most of the people who would appreciate Kyle's MOC (.mecha-meisters and .space-cadets) would have already seen his post (...) (20 years ago, 1-Feb-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
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(...) Just to clarify - this is the total number of posts in 2004 - by everyone, logged in, web, email, news, you name it. (20 years ago, 1-Feb-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) I do think it would be a good idea. With the current imlpementation though, I don't think it's easy to actually corralate posts with the memebers who post them. (20 years ago, 1-Feb-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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(...) Except that this step isn't happening right now. The server doesn't actually know that this post is from member 179 - it just knows that this email addressed has been allowed to post with these headers. Yes, updating the posting setup form to (...) (20 years ago, 1-Feb-05, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
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